SoMD Adventure riders do James Bay/Trans Taiga (planning phase)

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  1. blaster11

    blaster11 Some days.....

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    So the next big adventure planning has begun....this year its James Bay and the Trans Taiga.

    Start point: Maryland
    Time frame: 24 August to 08 September (subject to change)
    Duration: 2 weeks (16 days)
    Total mileage (approx): < 5500 miles door to door (will be updated as we finalize our route)
    Accommodations: Probably mostly hotel/lodges with the potential of camping if necessary.
    Participants: 4

    Actual trip information
    Departure date/time: 24 August @0800 hrs
    Meeting/departure location: Rest stop on I-95 just North of DC

    Participating inmates
    1. Blaster11: R1200GSA
    2. Dorito: F798GS (Twin)
    3. Lakota: F700GS (Twin)
    4. keithmckenny: R1200GS
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  2. blaster11

    blaster11 Some days.....

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    Trip cost

    Gas: Based on 5200 miles @ $4.25 per gallon average
    35 MPG: $631
    40 MPG: $553
    45 MPG: $491
    50 MPG: $442
    55 MPG: $401
    60 MPG: $368

    Lodging: $50.00 average per night
    5 nights: $250.00
    10 nights:$500.00
    15 nights: $750.00

    Food: Lets just say $30.00 per day, it may be more or less depending on what you carry and your eating habits.
    16 days: $480.00

    Trip total cost: (too many combination's but you get the idea)
    Total 16 day trip: Gas $553.00 + 15 nights of hotel $750.00 + Food $480.00 = $1783.00

    Gas: Need to work details on what will be needed. (how much to carry)
    Riding gear (weather): wide swings in temperature and conditions, choose wisely! (I will be bringing my electrics)
    Tires: Personal choice but a knobby would probably be a reasonable choice, something like a TKC 80/Heidenau K60
    Maintenance: Make sure all your checks and services are up to date, we are talking about a 4000 mile trip.
    Credit card/ATM: Call your bank and let them know you will be out of the local area with lots of gas charges (may save you/us some problems)
    Spare key (mandatory)
    Gas can
    First Aid kit (mandatory)
    Camera
    Maps and/or GPS
    Bug spray and/or bug net
    Medication: Please bring what you need plus a little extra just in case something happens
    Cell phone (?)
    Satellite phone (?)
    Calling card (?)
    Flashlight/headlamp with spare batteries
    SPOT satellite tracker (optional), I will have mine.
    Sunglasses
    Something to clean helmet visor/windscreen
    MedJet assist (?)
    Tire repair (tools to remove wheel, spoons, patches, plugs, tubes, bead breaker, compressor/CO2 cartridges, etc)

    Make your own packing list: http://micapeak.com/checklists/mclist.html
    Additional U build it checklists: http://micapeak.com/checklists/
    Emergency medical form: http://micapeak.com/tools/medform.html (Mandatory for everyone)
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  3. blaster11

    blaster11 Some days.....

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  4. blaster11

    blaster11 Some days.....

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  5. Dorito

    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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    They always say..start with the end in mind. With that, here's the track that leads to the holy grail (AKA the end of the Trans Taiga)

    The Trans Taiga Section
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    Not too much too many ways to slice this one...so track is probably 99% done for this section. We'll come enter from the east via dirt. And depart via tarmac on the south

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    The outbound route

    So, the only requirements for this leg are:
    • Must depart MD
    • &#8220;Kancamaugus Highway&#8221;, RT-118 Warren NH to RT-112 North Woodstock,NH combined with RT-16 from Conway, NH to Berlin, NH to include Mt Washington Road* http://www.motorcycleroads.com/Routes/New-Hampshire_105.html
    • Must ride Mt. Washington
    • Must end in Forestville, Quebec at the start of the dirt

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    Forestville & Let the Dirt Begin Track
    This one is entirely dirt and will need work before departure. For one, not sure how long it will take to do it. For two, not sure which track (grey or red) will be want to do. Right now, the grey has the most intel is the preferred route.

    Some tracks from travelgravel.ca and big thanks to Rhino for the RidVenture track!

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    Homeward Bound
    The homeward bound the pink line is tarmac, and the I've found a few other dirt tracks. Although, there are quite a few hazard markers, and not much time!
    So, the only requirements for this leg are:
    • Must depart Radisson
    • Must enter US via Niagara Falls
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    The last leg
    So, the only requirements for this leg are:
    • Must depart Niagara Falls
    • Must end in Maryland

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    This track will need a lot of modifying, and likely will get clipped to "fastest" route home. By mileage, there isn't a ton of to cover...but I think we'll be chewing some serious time on the dirt
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  6. Dorito

    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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  7. Dorito

    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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  8. Throttlemeister

    Throttlemeister Long timer

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    If you are looking for something different that saves the in and out on the TT, I suggest flying the bike out on a float plane from the end of the TT to LabCity and make a loop out of it, especially if you haven't road the Trans Lab yet.

    If you need other routes besides James Bay Road there is the established North Road route and then some other newer routes to the newest hydro projects that should be open to the public by now. I would do some checking with Quebec Hydro and just see how much of the new stuff is open instead of just running up and down on the JBR.

    Take a tour of the facility at Radisson and a helicopter flight if you really want to see the size of the place. Major Hydro:eek1
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  9. Dorito

    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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    And since we had the kickoff meeting last week, here's where the conversation is currently:



    I don't know about day two. Seems like schedule will go way long?

    -- It probably takes 2 hrs do Mt Washington (30 mins up, 30 mins down, and 45 mins to walk around up there and 15 mins to saddle up)

    --I like to go for the full cavity search at the border it seems, so I probably need 30 mins to cross

    --The ferry had a line last we did it, it was 15 mins to cross, but it took us 2 or 3 rotations to get loaded. (15min -1 hr delay)

    Thoughts?
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  10. Dorito

    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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    We've done the Trans Lab in 2011, but do you have contact info or cost for the plane? I love options!

    No chance they are digital/on-line maps, or do you have to order them from somewhere?
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  11. Dorito

    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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  12. blaster11

    blaster11 Some days.....

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    Added a bit more data to the first few posts....keep checking the first posts for new information since that is where I keep the important stuff and the rest is just working the details.
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  13. lakota

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    THink you missed some thing here - why go through Forestville to Baie Comeau and then come back to head to the dirt? There is an Econo-Lodge in Forestville
    Some other calculations of mine
    Day 9 385 miles (extra gas required)
    Day 11 I think closer to 200 miles

    Don't you just love kibitzers? :D



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  14. Throttlemeister

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    Don't know, check Quebec Hydro.com maybe...
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  15. Dorito

    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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    Nope didn't miss it. There is a dirt loop (grey line) which starts in Baie Comeau (far right of this map--camera icon)...and ends in Libreville (gas icon). Forestville is 40 miles south of Labrieville. So, we can stay the night then launch again in the morning back to the dirt.

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    My bigger problem is where to stage for the night. I doubt well get into Baie Comeau on night 2 (which would put the mileage a bit over 600/day). Previously, we estimated 513 miles into Forestville..and we have three other time delays that day.
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  16. lakota

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    guess I'm confused. instead of going on tarmac back to forestville why not just stay on the dirt to Auberge31 (second gas on the grey line) and spend the night there then continue on?
    also, I calculate Warren to Baie Comeau via Mt Washington as 573 miles.

    love the rte planning
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  17. Dorito

    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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    Some might contend that I over commit on day mileage.

    I don't know why they were so grumpy, after we finished up my "planned" first day leg on the last trip. I think that was after lunch on day 4. Slow pokes. :jack

    So, trying to under commit this time:)
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  18. lakota

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    :rofl

    next planning meeting and route discussion should be fun
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    Just a suggestion... since most of your trip is in Canada, you should adjust the average gas price to be more like $5 per gallon. Or even $5.50, since you'll be getting gas in a lot of more remote, and therefore expensive, spots. So your 50mpg gas cost goes up to more like $400-$440, not $280.

    --mark
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  20. joints4sale

    joints4sale No. Not "That Kind".

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    So, IF I were to consider doing this ride, should I schedule for "48" days?:eek1
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