Some questions on a Europe trip, and motorcycle shipping...

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  1. RBEmerson

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    Interesting. I do have a fixed German address. I wonder if ADAC will deliver to a dealer in the area instead. Hmmmm...
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    Good news, bad news.

    The good news is finding a website called Kurviger.de. It's all about finding twisty routes in Europe (including UK & Ireland). I've been building routes for this trip and Kurviger is a big help. Pick a start and stop, tweak the route if needed, and export it in a gpx file. Base Camp can import gpx files. Kurviger outputs a track, not a route. Base Camp can convert tracks to routes (good for looking summaries, etc.), and back again. I highly recommend this one.

    The bad news is Air Canada is back to "Call us in the spring". The guesstimate is "mid-April. Color me seriously annoyed. It's hard to make plans without knowing the tipping point between shipping and renting. Or making reservations for a bike or... Gngh!!!
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    enduro Dan Sticks and Stones™..

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    Rent.

    You have to do over three weeks to make it worth while
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    It depends on what AC charges this season. I scouted rental prices and it's not hard to hit $2K+ for two weeks. Dial in the extras and rent moves up to "under $2500". Using last years numbers I'm under that for the shipping part. Flights leave from Toronto and Montreal, both are about the same distance for me. If I include gas to get there (and back) plus spending a night before leaving (juggling departure times and prep for shipping), worst case it's about $2500. Tack on the "how cool is this?!?" of riding your own bike there, and I'd call it a good deal. But maybe AC will kill that with a big jump. We'll see...
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    enduro Dan Sticks and Stones™..

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    I found rental for around 110-135 usd
    Depending on bike size
    Unlimited mileage bags and top case

    Add no maintenance needed to your bike(before and after)
    Peace of mind if breakdown
    Insurance not needed(rental includes)


    The way to make it worth it(to me) would have been to leave the bike in storage and fly back home without it.
    Do another tour the following year and then ship home

    Your results may vary but this is what I found
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    $110-$135? For what? A 600cc dual-purpose just won't get it for me. I've ridden them - they're fun for a while, but long term, with chunks of autobahn added? Not so much.

    Storage opens up a can of worms. It's not too hard to wind up having to register the bike locally, which means importing it, when means money. Lots of it. And that's not including the whole business of finding storage, etc. And I really don't see logging a couple of weeks in the Alps every summer. In short, not an option for me.

    Again, this all hinges on the cost to ship. Until AC produces a rate card, the project is on hold.
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    OK, that's per diem. Useful to know...

    If I'm going to rent, it'll be a K1600. BTDT with an RT and have zero interest in repeating it. That works out to $2200+ for two weeks. Toss in the cost of round trip Frankfurt to Munich, and I'm back to "about $2500" or the estimate based on last year's costs. Obviously it'll be more - the question is how much more. Plus I'm dealing with someone well away from where I'll be traveling, and taking a rental bike sight unseen (delivery to Munich - what you see is what you get). Sorry, but that just isn't a bet I care to take.

    Frankfurt is set in concrete. Part of the reason for going to Germany is in-law time. The in-laws are in the Frankfurt area.
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    You can trust Adriatic 100% they are great guys.

    It sounds like you already have your mind made up anyway
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    Well, yes, actually I do have a tentative plan, hinging on Air Canada. I'm sorry, but, when it comes down to serious money, I just can't get warm and fuzzy about dealing with someone I can't see.
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    ?

    I have a bike stored with Stefan Knopf in Heidelberg. It has US plates and registration and I buy Green Card insurance for when 'm riding it over there. My total fixed annual expenses for the bike run about $1,000/year - that's storage, US registration fees & insurance (Virginia requires insurance in place to maintain registration), routine maintenance, and ADAC Plus membership.

    I'm on my second bike there since 2009. No issues.

    Of course, if you're not going to be a repeat customer, it's a waste of time and money.
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    Interesting. How do you keep the US registry? And avoid paying duty? In PA I'd be out of luck on keeping the license - annual inspection required.

    In any case, you're right, this is probably a one time ride. SWMBO is grumbling as it is.
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    What about buying from a dealer to ensure its serviced before you get there then sell after the trip?

    Should be cheaper than shipping and renting
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    The bike is stored in a warehouse between rides. Technically, it's WAY overdue to exit the EU, but on a practical matter they don't get excited as long as its used infrequently for tourist riding and not as a daily driver.

    VA also requires an annual inspection, but only for putting the bike on Virginia's roads and is not required for registration.
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    Seems like a good idea but... I'll get about three weeks in Germany (etc.) on this trip. I buy a bike blind, hope routine service doesn't turn up a surprise, hope the bike behaves as expected, holds together for the trip, and sells without a major loss. If I buy privately, to limit my upfront cost, how does the bike get to a shop - no registration, probably no insurance. If I were spending the summer, this might well pay out, but by then I'd effectively amortized the cost of shipping. Sorry, but it's just not a winner for me. But thanks for the thought. :)
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    Gotit. As long as you stay under the customs radar, life is good. And you probably dodge VA's annual tax on the bike, eh?
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    Sadly, no. It's still owned by/registered to me and they want their pound of flesh.
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    TINSTAAFL I guess.

    How'd you come up with a place to store the bike? I can't recall seeing many "U Store It" places in Germany. I know one guy who stores his Guzzi with an Italian dealer.

    CORRECTION: Replace "come up with" with "find"
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    Was that EVER in question?

    Stefan Knopf has been doing this for a long time and can provide a complete "package" from the USA. He's pretty much a full service concern - bike shipping, storage, insurance, ADAC membership, on-site B&B, workshop with tools & tire machine, bike lifts, whatever you need.

    Not free, of course. Some things he provides directly (shop, B&B, etc.), others he acts as an agent (insurance ADAC membership).