Sometimes you have too much adventure.

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by Snarky, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. Falconx84

    Falconx84 Lurker

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    If it's financed, I'm pretty sure that you are obligated to fix it like new since someone else technically owns it. The insurance company is obligated to make it like the accident never happened and the bank wants it that way in case you default on your loan.

    If you're looking to profit, I believe you can get the damaged parts and can likely re-sell them, esp the final drive and rim. When someone hit my car I was able to salvage some cool parts that were damaged but still useable for other projects.
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  2. redneckmech

    redneckmech Two-Wheel Addict

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    +1 on the ham radio. I am an operator and have never had a problem reaching anyone from even the most remote areas in North Idaho. I do not go on any trip without mine. No matter where you are, there is always a ham monitoring. I carry a quad band hand-held to increase my chances, but have never needed to use any frequency other than 2 meter. In addition to that, many of the repeaters are linked to a phone patch so you can make phone calls over your radio (that is all a cell phone does anyway).
    Good story... It reminds me of taking my Nighthawk a few places that I REALLY should not have...
    Better luck next ride:beer
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  3. dukedinner

    dukedinner Been here awhile

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    Great karma to this thread! Had to come back for the updates...no serious eye-poking or bun fights yet!

    About the bike itself..it must be a serious offroad machine..didn't Ewen push one through mud and across rivers a few years back (?)...

    $11000 to repair that kind of damage (?)..no wonder our insurance rates keep going up...
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  4. NJ-Brett

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    If I bought a new bike and dirt rode it, and broke it, I would just fix it, because dirt riding often involves falling. You are not having much fun if you don't fall once and a while.
    Otherwise, I don't see anyone could do much dirt riding if the bike had to be in like new shape after each ride.

    I do not see that anyone needs to know you scratched the bike when it fell over, its not a leased vehicle you have to turn in at the end of the lease.

    If I was going to make a claim like that, I would have had a LOT more fun with the bike!
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  5. vfxdog

    vfxdog Been here awhile

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    A really well written account of a ride gone wrong. The OP has been very candid about his mistakes and has combined his account with an open invitation for others to contribute wisdom.

    It's clear that he is someone who does actually think things through very thoroughly, and some of what went wrong was just bad luck rather than bad management.

    As owner of both 1200 GS and WR250R, I would most definitely have gone with the Yamaha for a ride like this. I'm a big-bike guy but I know (from bitter experience) it's a lot easier to get the Yam out of gnarly spots than the GS.

    And all I'd say about the need to cover large amounts of road miles with ease- one of the best road rides I've ever had was a 200 mile run before lunch- on the Yamaha. Try one.
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  6. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    I've sailed extensively offshore but never had any more comms than a VHF. My take is so what if someone knows I'm in trouble? What are they going to do about it?

    I can see this as a land device, though. Thanks for the info.
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  7. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    In South Jersey, you'd first have to be able to find a rock. :lol3
    Now, sinking it in a swamp would be much easier to do down there!

    Chris
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  8. WVhillbilly

    WVhillbilly Long timer

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    $11K :huh

    Ya need one of these.
    [​IMG]

    I'd have to total it 5 times to make it worth that much money :lol3
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  9. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    Any part which is even slightly scratched was included in that estimate. That's the way it's done.

    A guy here bought an almost new R1 for $2,500 which had a tip over. The P.O. took the insurance check, deducted it from a reasonable value of pristine bike and came up with that number as a 'for sale'.

    The new owner put about $1,000 in it accepting the minor hard to see 'damage' and rode off. I guess that's why premiums on these bikes are so high. I personally only carry liability & pay about $225 / year for our three bikes.
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  10. Snarky

    Snarky Vodka Infused.

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    Just going back and hitting a few other posts.

    I wish I would have had my camel pack. Between the standard knife, the rape whistle, the fire starter, and the water tablets I keep with it, it would have been great.

    I live on the west side of El Paso so, New Mexico is closer than the airport. We should meet up at some point and ride.

    FR 5543
    It may or may not be a closed one at this point. However, I checked the Forestry website, and their vehicle maps indicated it was open to vehicles 50" or less in width, so its a '4-wheeler' road, by their map. Not exactly a firm support of approval as a true road, but it was a 'road' for a while. It certainly doesn't go all the way through anymore physically or forest map wise, but GPS indicated it was (which is wrong) Of course, the ultimate responsibility is mine, and I admit that, but it was an accident, and not intentional offroading.

    Here was my entry route, the best I can tell.
    http://goo.gl/maps/x0L32

    Here's my walk out.
    First Track:
    http://goo.gl/maps/t1okx
    Continued: (Point B is where I got a ride from the camper)
    http://goo.gl/maps/1WA0z

    Here's my recovery route:
    http://goo.gl/maps/0jKry
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  11. slide

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    You cannot count on these roads or the info you get from the FS to be accurate. There are too many of these old roads in this state to be kept track of. A major rain storm can change the status of a road in an hour but take months to discover the change (years?).

    I think I posted that on my GS (1150) I hit a road which clearly showed going through but which was a complete dead end. That's when I spun my bike because the road dead ended in the middle of a steep slope down. No way could I do a 180 with the tires touching the dirt. Even if I were 7' tall, it would take a 3 or 4 point turn that way.
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  12. Twilight Error

    Twilight Error Going nowhere slowly

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    A couple years back, I got on a road in the Adirondacks in NY that my GPS said was real. Within a mile, it degraded into a skidder track. In two miles, the skidder driver had built a bypass around a bog. I, quite stupidly, dove straight into the bog. Made it all of 3'. Spent six hours getting the pigbeast out of that hole.
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  13. slide

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    Good you could get it out at all. I never had an adventure nearly as bad as the OP with the GS, but I was acutely aware that it'd be darned easy to get into a situation where I'd have to walk out.
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  14. Twilight Error

    Twilight Error Going nowhere slowly

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    Yup.

    After that, I started carrying a comealong when I head to places I *think* may hold more adventure than the pigbeast is capable of. I've also come across ATVers who stare goggle-eyed at me when I roll up to them. I've been several places that everyone knows a bike as big as the GS can't go. I've got the dents in my fuel tank, scars on the crashbars and puncture holes in the skidplate to prove it.
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  15. Pariahtize

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    Wow, that was classic! :rofl

    Thanks for sharing this. It was a well-documented account of nearly everyhting one should not do.

    Hell, we've all made our mistakes; and will continue to do so. Even the well-prepared find themselves in horrible circumstances that they (sometimes) cannot overcome. . .not saying yours was a "horrible circumstance", but it certainly became an issue!

    I always "try" to prepare for an overnight, a basic breakdown, a basic medical (part of that is mole skin for walking-blisters). When you don't prepare is when it seems to happen:deal (I'd better knock on wood before I jinx myself!)

    :freaky
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  16. dhillr

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    Just read this and realized that I REALLY need to stop riding offroad alone. :eek1 First, it freaks my wife out. Second, there's lots of chances to get hurt with all the big rocks we have around here.

    Jeeping offroad alone, however.... totally safe!

    Thanks for sharing....was a good read. :clap
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  17. screwit

    screwit One more time

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    Firstly, thanks for posting. It takes balls to tell the story when you know you f&^$ed up. Secondly, if you think you have the market cornered on being stupid you're wrong, we've all been there. Lastly, I have an R1200GS and live in Las Cruces. Next time you plan to go get lost, dehydrated, tear your shit up, have to call your wife and explain you're a dipshit and visit the hospital call me. I'll go with you cause i'm an expert at all that. :D
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  18. Wy'east

    Wy'east Dust in the wind...

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    Another +1 on the ham radio and the SPOT, model with the texting ability.

    The only other things I would add is a fresh, brand-new, clean high-visibility vest; a few smoke flares (they are available a boating/marine shops like West Marine) and toss in a few red road flares, which you should have anyway along with your first-aid kit. These items take up very little space and can always stay in the panniers.

    Now the really important thing, just don't start a forest fire using the flares!
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  19. acesandeights

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    As a prior insurance adjuster, I'll comment. Insurance pays to return the bike to pre-loss condition. If there are used parts available, they'll use those, but usually not on a current model bike. Also, used parts are not available for motorcycles the way they are for cars...so, you usually get new parts. Insurance pays retail for parts, so they pay BMW prices. Sometimes insurance can negotiate a lower labor rate, but usually the motorcycle dealers have insurance companies by the balls because they can't just go to the next shop with a lower rate because there are few motocycle mechanics for a particular brand, especially something "exotic".

    Insurance pays for what you or I wouldn't pay for if we had to pay out of pocket. For you or I the total cost of repair would probably be closer to your $1500 (probably more, because one wheel might be $1500) amount, but you and I would ride around with bent luggage racks and scratches because there's no way we'd replace some of the stuff if we had to pay out of pocket.
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  20. Pariahtize

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    If you're in a western forest, and you use flares. . . you'll likely be starting a fire. Besides, who's going to see you out in the sticks, and come to your assistance? Someone may see that glow in the trees/brush and think it a UFO and start poking around out of curiosity?
    I'd hate to see a forest fire started by an "Adventure Rider" because he deployed a flare after getting himself into an overnight position.

    Sleeping int he woods is actually nice if you are (even slightly) prepared. Running from a forest fire is never nice :D (I can only imagine the horror level increases greatly if it's a fire you had started).
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