Sometimes you have too much adventure.

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by Snarky, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. Wy'east

    Wy'east Dust in the wind...

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    Man I knew somebody was going to say this, but I thought I'd get lucky. Apparently not. These are signalling devices for people that are actively looking for you. I'll agree with you that if nobody is looking, nobody will see anything.

    If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it still make a noise? Anyway...

    After 30+ plus years of camping all over the place in and out of National Parks and forests and cooking on open flames in said places, I've never managed to start a forest fire let alone have anything get out of hand and I don't think I'm the only one.

    Now about poking around in the bush for a UFO... :feelgood
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  2. azcagiva

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    Good story. I have had a few moments that were similar.

    I am of the opinion that GPS can sometimes be a bad thing. I followed a track on my 950 adv in baja for 5 miles down a deep sandy wash, only to find out that the road I was hoping to intersect did not exist. It was here that I had the ah ha moment and realized that I was an idiot and could die out there. Had I not had the gps I would not have attempted it. I am starting to prefer actual maps with the gps as a backup. The gps seems to inhibit my situational awareness.

    I also have to chime in on the hard bags. It kills me to see guys on a day trip with all the hard bags on. I can see if your going on a beer run, or RTW, but if you are just riding around they are not worth the effort to me. Too easy to get your foot hung up under them in the rough stuff.

    Here is one of my bikes setup for a week trip.
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    I have the hard bags for my KTM but have never even put them on.

    -John
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  3. CSF

    CSF Been here awhile

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    After reading through all of this, I feel like I should prep myself and my bike for the worst a bit better. I will be riding a KTM 640 A, sometimes alone in far off and dangerous places next season... i do have lots experience in the woods with my 250. But I think your situation reenforces the unspoken rules of a dangerous sport. Danger is compounded with mistakes, the more you make, the more at risk you become. Some mistakes make things way worse, like your water situation and being alone and not having outside contact, it reminds me of one of those A&E or Discovery Channel shows. Thanks for sharing your story. We all make mistakes, and its easy to do when you're in a rush or distracted. Its a good reminder and a cautionary tale for all of us.
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  4. Snarky

    Snarky Vodka Infused.

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    I one of my solutions for being stranded was a bonfire, there was a ton of collected wood that the forest service had collected in piles. I noticed a bunch of burnt down trees, this place has a habit of combusting.

    A flare gun would have been nice. I don't know how staffed the fire towers are at this time of year. But I figure between the aircraft, the forest service and ranches, somebody might have saw it...

    I'm still trying to decide between an ACR beacon, a Spot II Messenger, or a DeLorme Communicator. It's hard to gauge them as only a few people ever need to utilize them. Some of the reports of Spot usage I've seen, also had those folk able to call the police with cell phones too... I don't know, and the plans are all a bit confusing and apples to oranges too.

    I used to carry a ton of gear, survival and otherwise. I eventually slimmed it down, I never expected to be lost within 200 miles of where I lived. Now I'm going to gear back up with water, fire, rain, and cold gear at all times. And I'm not going to let myself slip. It's one thing if you trailer your bike to where you're exploring, and have a basecamp. It's another thing entirely if you're on your lonesome.

    Nobody is going to ride with me from El Paso to DFW for the holidays, because it's terrible. So if I wanted to take the back roads for a while and get off the interstate, I would be in this same situation. I don't want to be caught unprepared again.

    My AllState estimate said I couldn't share the information on it for whatever reason. Also I don't want to go through an redact all the person info in it because I'm desperately lazy. Suffice to say, it's an impressive list. I'm looking forward to having the bike back in two weeks or so. I'm spending this time working on the truck some. I miss the bike though, and the weather has been great too :(

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  5. hgulledge

    hgulledge Adventurer-of-sorts

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    Two observations if I might;

    1. As has already been said, traveling rough, mountain country at night is just a plain bad idea. In survival school, it was always emphasized to wait until light.

    2. You absolutely cannot trust the little off-road lines on Garmin. I tried to detour around a traffic tie up out of Laredo and rode about 40 miles of gravel only to find a locked gate and high fence across the road, which then led to another 40 miles of gravel and another hour or so getting around the traffic tie-up. All this at 108 degrees, but I did have water. :1drink
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  6. Snarky

    Snarky Vodka Infused.

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    1. On foot, or on a bike? I'm aware the answer is both. It was light while I was on a bike. On foot I had no choice, I had to have water, lack of water makes you crazy as shit. You do not fear death, you just want a drink. I was more or less on 'road' rather than cross country most of the 10 miles except for a gap I had to bridge between two dead end roads. The roads were bad, especially in motocross boots, but I was able to traverse it. It's not that rough in the Lincoln Mountains, I've hiked worse in the Franklin Mountains, but I must admit, my experience in at least the Lincoln National Forest is limited, I've had more experience north towards Ruidoso where I used to live. At no point did I need to climb chains on a sheer rock face like on the Ron Coleman Trail, which is even worse if you do it in the summer.

    Still, you do make a good point, wait until light if you can.

    2. Well, they were 'roads' technically, but yeah, Garmin is wrong a lot, but not at much as TomTom, but I carry both, they vary in degree of wrongness.

    I had luck on detours with garmin 'once'. I was stuck in 105 degree traffic on I-20. There was a wild fire sweeping across the road, I was able to use garmin to navigate out of the storm storm. No gravel though, sadly. I need to learn to trust my own judgement and carry paper maps too.

    I have no excuse not to carry a paper map, I've been taught map reading and navigation.
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  7. Ben Carufel

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    Great story, man! Glad you're ok. Good to see you're a member of the zombie response team, too.

    I always ride with my "10 essentials" plus water...a carryover from my Boy Scout days.
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  8. Wy'east

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    Good luck and all, but I'd be careful as a all hell setting of a flare gun/aerial flare in the forest! You have absolutely no control where the damn thing will go with a high potential of starting a forest fire. Flare guns are good for the deserts and the seas.

    Believe me if you set off smoke flare in the forest and someone is looking for you in the general area, they would have to be blind not to see it.

    Lots of good stuff in this thread.
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  9. rgoers

    rgoers Been here awhile

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    Neither my motorcycle nor my snowmobile survival kits contain any flares. I could think up a pretty big list of far more useful things that would weigh the same and take the same amount of space. I suppose if you're venturing off on a bike the size and weight of a small station wagon, you might not be thinking the same way I am... :lol3
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  10. acesandeights

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    On a bike that sees street and off road use I can see the value of flares. They can be a great fire starter, distress signal, and road marker if you're broken down on the side of the road. There are worse things, less effective things, you can carry in a pannier than a road flare.
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  11. slide

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    There are highway flares and distress flares. The latter is what was suggested. It sends up a burning ball of material which can easily come down while still alight. It would act as an incendiary device for any woodsy area you happened to be in.

    I didn't want to comment after the fellow posted this suggestion, but honestly, anybody who would send up such a flare in the Lincoln National Forest deserves to have this flare shot down his throat.
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  12. Apertureguy

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    I agree...nice write up.

    Next time a little less adventure...without taking more precautions.
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  13. Vagabond_Explorer

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    The other thing you could do is to install a WARN Winch on your R1200GS. This is the second bike I have seen with a winch installed, to help drag it upright, or backwards or just to help another stuck bike.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-R...item27cbdaa4b1

    The winch in the above link is installed on the rear carry rack - however I have seen another BMW in the Outback with a WARN winch on the front that swivels so it can pull in many directions. However they're heavy (but light compared the overall Beemer package).

    Personally, I'd just ride a smaller dual purpose bike - but a winch will help you pick up the bike when it falls over on dirt tracks especially if there are boulders or trees around to hitch to.
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  14. Snarky

    Snarky Vodka Infused.

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    LOL whooosh!

    As for the winching, the warn winch on my truck is the only way I got the bike back up by myself with blown muscles in soft dirt. I couldnt power a winch on my bike with the lighter LiFe battery.

    A should have beeb carrying a racher strap. That alone could have helped. A come along would be cool, but they are bulky.
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  15. hardwaregrrl

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    You could carry a set up like this. I made my own from rope around the house and 2 beaners, went to rei for the plastic pullies and flat nylon strap. It worked even with no trees!:huh

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  16. foxtrapper

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    Consider one of the micro sized block and tackles. I've got one, don't remember where from. Rated for 600 or 1000 lbs, with probably a hundred feet of parachute line on it. Weighs maybe a pound at the most, and would fit into a pants pocket.
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  17. PMC

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    Wow great write up and I'm glad your story ended as well as it did.
    It's crazy how quickly things can go wrong... I really like doing these types of rides with a partner.
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  18. acesandeights

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    Absolutely, and I was trying to make that distinction. Some people were saying aerial and others were not. There is a reason a lot of water craft have aerial (signal) flares and a reason a lot of people who are over the road travelers have flares. Having flares on a motorcycle is not a bad idea. Shooting off an aerial (signal) flare in the woods might be.
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  19. Tim

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    An interesting thread with a lot of good observations.

    Just one question to the OP, when you left the bike with the GPS switched on so that you could spot it in the dark, why didn't you just make the bike as a waypoint and take the GPS with you so that you could find your way back to it?
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  20. muskieken

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    wow
    what an adventure.
    glad your alive to share it .
    thanks for posting it.