Sometimes you have too much adventure.

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by Snarky, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. S8W7

    S8W7 Libertarian

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    Great writeup.

    Look, I love all of you guys (and gals), and because of that it really hurts to see you suffering so much. Every crash should be a serious learning experience, but it can only be that if you understand truly why you put her down. Here's some help.

    Keith Code's A Twist of the Wrist (on-road riding): https://secure.echoalley.com/atwistofthewrist/
    Shane Watts' Dirtwise DVDs (off-road riding): http://www.shanewatts.com/product/dvd-dirtwise-shane-watts

    Both can be found for free online if you know where to look, so there's no excuse. PM me and I can share my personal copies.
  2. PeterW

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    You realize that you were one bit of bad luck away from death there right ?.

    If you'd got a leg stuck underneath the bike .... game over, yeah, people looking, but odds are they'd have been stopped by the first obstacle and turned back. "No way he'd have gone up there"

    The really scary thing about this was the long chain of bad calls - poor judgement can be deadly on a bike, same with courage.

    I am impressed you walked out, and even more impressed you had the balls to post.

    I'll admit, I do ride solo, and I do hit the dirt now and then but ... I save being brave for when I have company to show off to. Riding alone, I'm very "not brave".

    A few tips, most of which were I think covered by other posters.

    Avoid low traffic tracks (you can tell by the lack of scuffs on the ground and the growth on the riding line) - just remember it for when you do have company.

    If you got in that way, you can almost certainly get back out that way - and turn back EARLY - first sign of trouble turn back - that usually means it is possible to go back the way you came.

    Always carry water. I figure you got that one already :lol3. Being hungry takes a couple of days to fuck you over, lack of water, hours. You lose strength and your judgement goes to hell.

    Wear boots you can walk in. Another one I think you learned.

    If you leave the bike, try and leave a note with it or a clear direction marker - arrow laid out with rocks will help - the bike is more likely to be found than you are (The bike isn't wandering around in the woods, bumping into trees).

    I carry some seat belt webbing with a couple of D rings sewn in one end (like a helmet strap), makes picking a bike up LOT easier solo and more important a lot less tiring. About the size of a ciggy packet rolled up. You can also use it to drag the bike around. A winch is nice, but simple things work also.

    I also carry one of those mylar emergency bags, one shot sleeping bag, very small, but that and having water means that if it's getting dark I can spend the night by the bike in something less that total misery. Things usually look a lot clearer at dawn after some rest.

    Pete
  3. Sierra Thumper

    Sierra Thumper Been here awhile

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    I think if somebody needs to install a winch on their bike, they are slightly confused as to the proper use of the bike :rofl

    On a serious note tho, thanks Snarky for sharing your story, you've undoubtedly helped many others, not to mention given us some VERY entertaining reading :thumb

    I do have to say, I'll never understand why someone would choose to take a 600+lb street bike off-roading, but then I guess I don't need to.....everybody has a right to do anything they choose as long as its legal right? :lol3
    I have 3 streetbikes for my road travels, and a lighter, dirt oriented dual-sport that handles roads plenty well enough to get me to any riding place I choose, whether its a days ride or a multi-day trip.....and then lets me hit the dirt like a real dirt bike in a safe, controllable way. Mucho fun
    I learned long ago that its cheaper, safer, and wiser in the end to have a bike that fits its purpose, and to use it for that purpose :D

    You can try and use any bike for any purpose, but I like to enjoy/survive the ride, so I use the right tool for the job.......MUCH more fun :clap
  4. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    I now agree about the 600 lb bike off road but only after I've tried it too many times. Even if you never go down, the tension from knowing how tough it'll be if you do and the damage to the bike also if you do and it pulls the fun right out of the ride for me. Also these things are DIFFICULT to do a 180 with if you are on a slope or in a narrow area or rocky or a rocky narrow slope.

    Never again. I do think the GS is a superb road bike.
  5. JethroDog

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    Nothing ventured, nothing gained! Congratulations on making it home Snarky. My only tip: ride it anywhere you want to, but be sure to compensate those that follow with plenty of beer.

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  6. purplehaize

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    Whoa, too much of an adventure or a Great Adventure not sure which. Loved reading about your troubles and glad you shared it. harsh reminder how over confidence or whatever you want to call it can go horribly wrong on 2 wheels. Thanks for sharing as I will remember this story to keep me in check!!!
  7. 5Chord

    5Chord No Short-Term Memory

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  8. Sierra Thumper

    Sierra Thumper Been here awhile

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    Thanks for sharing the link to your story as well 5Chord.......I hope you're still not taking those beasts into those kind of conditions with street tires....or at all hopefully? And I won't be bothering with the SPOT system, this is just another story of how it sucks......def won't be wasting my money on that sorry-azz company and their all-hype no-work product.

    My cell phone has built in gps location that I'm sure kicks the shit out of SPOT anyway, so I'll just stick to that, while SPOT sticks it to everyone in general who buys it :rofl
  9. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    Does your phone get its location from the GPS satellites or from the cell towers?
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    slide A nation in despair

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    I had to smile because you said to yourself just what I said when I once got myself into a pickle - "I just suffered through that section and don't wish to try riding it in reverse."

    I added to myself, "This can't last. It must get better ahead."

    Famous last (almost) words.

    Great write up, 5.
  11. acesandeights

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    Not to turn this into a pro/con SPOT thread, but your cell phone GPS likely doesn't kick the shit out of SPOT anyway. As a former SAR member, I have much more confidence in SPOT than a cell phone for a true emergency. They are apples and oranges and not really comparable, as they do completely different things in different ways. Without going into too much detail, the linked thread is a great example of how not to handle an (non) emergency, or how to use the SPOT as designed. Based on your post it appears you don't understand the SPOT, how it or the service works.

    Also, I wouldn't consider it another story of how SPOT sucks, but another user that doesn't understand it's use, function, and personal responsibility.
  12. 5Chord

    5Chord No Short-Term Memory

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    I don't want to turn this into a SPOT post either, (as mine was) but I will say this; when I pushed the SOS button, the SPOT device had my location about 65 miles from where I was due to poor satellite connection enroute. All lights on the SPOT device indicated that it had a good fix on me and soon help would be dispatched. I was wrong on both counts. All they did was call my girlfriend and father to tell them I might be in some kind of trouble. All that for just $100 a year.

    In all fairness, SPOT has probably come along way since then and they may have addressed some of these issues and added some value to their services. Also, it is a brilliant device for use in urban areas to alert friends and family in case a problem occurs to your location by text or email. But to market it (at least the way it was when I bought it) as a survival locator for use in in remote areas is a travesty.

    Also, I would like to invite anyone who would like to discuss this further, to PM me. I don't want to continue to take away from this excellent post.
  13. Cale_Kat

    Cale_Kat Been here awhile

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    A good write up and reminder how "things" can cascade out of control.
  14. Twilight Error

    Twilight Error Going nowhere slowly

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    You're Gonna DIE!!!!!
  15. Vagabond_Explorer

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    Amen to that. Common theme emerging from many posts. The BMW R1200GS/A can get you into trouble faster than it can get you out. A great road bike, but dressed up only to look enduro - that's all! Ride only on smooth, dry dirt surfaces, generally. Tipping the scales at over 600 lbs loaded up - it is almost like riding a Gold Wing off road!
  16. Twilight Error

    Twilight Error Going nowhere slowly

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    I wasn't being serious. At all.


    I've been many places I was told my 1150 would never get to. More importantly, I've returned...
  17. Sierra Thumper

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    Its a shame they dress up these big street bikes to look like something that should go in the dirt....then riders look at them and think "hey, I think I'll ride that giant, dirt looking bike into a world of off road hurt".
    Really no need to lead people down that path is there?
  18. 5Chord

    5Chord No Short-Term Memory

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    Any kind of off-road riding should include some training, especially in the big-bike adventure category. I spent 4 days at Rawhyde (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522685) back in '09 doing just that. Then I drank the kool-aid and bought a big GS. The big bikes can do amazing things and I've had tons of fun on my pig; but I now prefer a smaller dual-sport experience. The smaller the bike, the easier it is to pick up (and push out of the woods). Plain and simple.
  19. slide

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    Heck, I'd guess that more pilgrims in dude 4 x 4's such as Ford Explorers get to walk out than bikers do. The difference, though, is when you need to get your Explorer out of someplace piece by piece, the driver usually is OK.

    The irony of the GS is that due to its mass and idiotic height, people fail on it when they'd have succeeded on a Honda Rebel or even a Honda 90 step through. This cosmetic height is the killer. Only the most adept riders would have an issue if the GS were 8 or so cm lower and it'd make things so much easier for we who aren't the Lewis' or the Hydes of the world.
  20. Sierra Thumper

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    I agree experience and training is key. You can take a big bike amazing places with enough skill, balance, finesse and knowing the machine well. But the majority of the time that doesn't seem to happen. Its kinda like taking your brand new 4 wheel drive out with some friends to do some "easy" off-roading...nothing serious honey, I promise. Yeah right :roflnext thing you know your stuck with a scratched, dented up truck, getting the bumper pulled off by a friend :lol3
    You take a big bike off the pavement and its only a matter of time before its going to be in too deep, its just human nature :wink:
    I say don't tempt fate, keep the "street bike in dirt drag" on the pavement or flat smooth dirt roads, and take the true dirt-oriented machine off into what we all know will end up being the gnarly stuff :thumb