Spark help...Motorrad Elektrik Ignition

Discussion in 'Airheads' started by patrkbukly, Feb 8, 2013.

  1. patrkbukly

    patrkbukly 52 Weeks of warm

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    Hi everybody,
    OK, my 93 GSPD, ... I just bought the electronic ignition upgrade and Dyna coil. I put the coil on last night, bike runs great. Today I install the ignition and now I've got no spark.

    Has anyone done this mod with similar issues?

    It has to be something simple.
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  2. Beemerguru

    Beemerguru Beemerguru...G/S guy

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    Are the wires connected correctly? Do you need a copy of the installation instructions?
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  3. patrkbukly

    patrkbukly 52 Weeks of warm

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    I followed the instructions which seem pretty straight forward, the new bean can clips into original plug.

    The ignition itself plugs into the original plug behind the coil.

    And that should be it.

    Very frustrating.

    The shaft which slides into and butts up to the cam is supposedly "offset" so that it cannot be in incorrectly, I never really saw the "offset" part but for sure I am butted against the engine correctly.

    I am guessing I will tear it back down and put all the original back onto it and see if I can bring her back to life.

    To be honest, Rick at Motoraad has made it an interesting event, forgot to put 2 bolts in the box which are needed to mount the new coil bracket, he apologized for that. Then I called him again and told him the ignition will not fit because the coil is too large behind it, and he said, "Oh I forgot to grind down the post on the coil since you are doing new coil and new ignition, so just cut that part of the coil post off with a hacksaw". I did not like doing that at all but thats what he said to do.

    So, my feeling right now is just remove it all and send it back, maybe start over later with someone elses upgrade.
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  4. Airhead Wrangler

    Airhead Wrangler Long timer

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    Ricks's mounting bracket for dyna coils could use a little work. The one I have came VERY close to shorting one of the coil's terminals. I mean less than a mm before I filed it down a bit. Look out for that.
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  5. patrkbukly

    patrkbukly 52 Weeks of warm

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    I agree Airhead and it's not so much a problem it's just that if you know beforehand you can prepare for that stuff in the time you have to install and the tools you will need. It's just having to realize that midway in the install is frustrating.
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  6. kaput13

    kaput13 gasoholic

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    Would agree that all the above complaints or comments are valid but just for the sake of some perspective for someone who might be new to this, Rick is a trusted, knowledgeable, long time vendor and all around good guy with a great product line and a willingness to help troubleshoot electrical issues over the phone etc. etc. Carry on....
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  7. hardwaregrrl

    hardwaregrrl ignore list

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    +1 call him Call toll free 866-668-6353
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  8. patrkbukly

    patrkbukly 52 Weeks of warm

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    I agree with you, I don't by any means mean to beat the guy up but my 1st experience has been my only experience so far and maybe I just got him at a bad time.

    And yes he seems great on the toll free line but no weekends and no after 5pm, just shy of a bank operating hours.
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  9. kaput13

    kaput13 gasoholic

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    I think you have a valid complaint that needs resolution. Being that you are a fellow South Florida resident let me know if you are ever interested in sharing tools, extra help etc. Good luck with it. I can sympathize as I'm suffering with some electrical issues on my r100.
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  10. patrkbukly

    patrkbukly 52 Weeks of warm

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    Absolutely we should get connected, I thought I was alone down here. I have a coffee with a few guys on their 1150's but beyond that I thought I was a lone duck.

    I'm in Miami so let me know whenever.
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  11. chollo9

    chollo9 Screwed the Pooch

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    Hey Patrick, re: post #5's title--thanks for agreeing with me!

    But what did I say? I didn't post in this thread (yet). :rofl
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  12. patrkbukly

    patrkbukly 52 Weeks of warm

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    Ok, so I pulled the electronic Alpha bean can and ignition and put the stock one back on.

    Hit start and wammo, fired right up.

    Timed her and off I rode. Damn thing was a bat out of hell.

    Era to ear grin. Came back to house, parked to put the cover back on the front. Started it up one more time just to feel the quick start....Nada...zip...0.
    _uck__ A___!! # &^$*) !!!!

    So, took tank off again, wiggled coil wire, wammo fired right up.

    Died, .... never started again.

    So you would think...ok coil, nope, I put the original back on and nada. So.

    [B]MY NEW QUESTION IS...
    WHATS NEXT?
    DIODE?
    BETTER WAY TO TROUBLE SHOOT THE NO SPARK ISSUE?
    DOES THIS SOUND SIMILAR TO ANYTHING ANYONE ELSE HAS GONE THROUGH?
    [/B]
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  13. Cogswell

    Cogswell Spudly Adventurer

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    Yep, been there, as most likely most of us have. If you are having problems after recent work it is most likely the result of something you have done. Either knowingly or unknowingly.

    Take your time and carefully go back over your work. It may be something simple or it may be a broken wire you can not see. Be methodical in your approach, Jumping willy nilly from component to component will only frustrate you more. Verify voltages, signals, and continuity of wires if needed.

    Good luck and let us know what you find.

    P.S. I have seen coils short out when a gas tank was reinstalled due to poor positioning.


    Mike
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  14. chollo9

    chollo9 Screwed the Pooch

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    Totally with Mike.

    1. Wait until tomorrow.

    2. Start by doing nothing but thinking and looking.

    3. Don't consider anything that you haven't recently touched.

    4. Remove anything recently changed.

    5. K.I.S.S.

    6. Don't completely discount hunches, but be logical and systematic.

    7. If necessary, stop, self-medicate, and resume at a later time.
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  15. Tripletreat

    Tripletreat Been here awhile

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    Not to highjack this threat, but what motivates folks to go with these new ignitions? Do they actually improve performance or are they installed simply because the old airhead systems are becoming failure prone?
    I ask because last year I was stranded in Nevada when the ignition on my 1988 R100GS packed it in. I'm planning on putting many, many more miles on my 1983 R100RS. Should I be replacing the charging and ignition components with new, just as preventive maintenance steps? :ear
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  16. BeardThrone

    BeardThrone ...in bat country.

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    I think we install them because Rick's are rebuildable and $200.00 less than the BMW part.
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  17. Bluethumb

    Bluethumb Been here awhile

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    I was on my way back to Texas from NYC last November on a new to me R80ST. The voltmeter started bouncing all over the place and I just knew the charging system was getting ready to go tits up and leave me stranded. I made it to a hotel the first night and called Rick. He was able to diagnose the problem by my description of the symptoms. Turned out to be a loose ground on the voltmeter. I called at 7:00 at night on his help line and he spent 15 minutes with me. I've had a dozen or so dealings with him over the years and he's always been great. My experience.
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  18. chasbmw

    chasbmw Long timer

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    The BMW ignition is now nearly 30 years old and it was not a 'proper' electronic ignition anyway. I would reckon that it might well be time to retire it.

    On the charging side, the 450w alternators put out good power and in replacing it you are replacing the 2 components that are most likely to fail, the diode board and the rotar. Otherwise you should spend some time cleaning upnallnthe electrical connections on the bike.
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  19. patrkbukly

    patrkbukly 52 Weeks of warm

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    Reason I ask is that I am remembering my steps and I am realizing this...

    After many attempts, after the installation of the original equipment, the battery was getting weaker, so I hooked my jumper cables to my truck. The bike then spun like normal and started right up. I revved it a bit, took off the cables, then rode around the neighborhood....all good.

    I got back, turned bike off, restarted then it died and would not restart.

    Could it be I have a bad battery as well, turns the engine but not with enough spark? And what I did was cheat it with the cables?

    Could a bad battery do that?
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  20. disston

    disston ShadeTreeExpert

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    Yes. A bad battery can sometimes crank an engine but not have enough juice to start. Since the truck starts the bike do this again. Then check to see how much juice the alternator is putting out with you VOM.

    How old is battery?
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