Sparky the electric sidecar

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by whitham_wannabe, Mar 2, 2018.

  1. jwaller

    jwaller Been here awhile

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    It looks to be the same final drive, the same most everything except for engine/transmission. Well, that would cover three of my warranty issues I've had to date with mine (holed left piston, bent shift fork, clutch spline teeth worn away). I'm sure it uses the same new speedometer and tachometer of the 2017 models, so that's something else that failed on mine that has been replaced with something new, so let's make that four major issues with mine that wouldn't be a problem with this new electric Ural. Ummm,.... Aha! The swing-arm! It looks like the same old swing-arm.

    In all seriousness, if the new electric motor is so much more powerful and all than the old ICE unit, certainly they've gone to a better, more durable final drive, right? I get told all the time that the final drive is like the Achilles heel of the Ural and that it WILL FAIL if I ride at sustained speeds above 60 mph. I cruise at about 60 mph all the time and my final drive's held out so far (knock on wood).

    I've already decided that if my engine ever totally grenades, I'm yanking it and replacing it with some sort of electric motor. Seems like the sidecar would make that pretty easy to do with plenty of room for batteries.
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  2. Pathfinders

    Pathfinders Been here awhile

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    I would like to learn more about this project. As the owner of 2 Urals and having 30+ years in Electrical/Electronics tech I am intrigued.
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  3. mr.spui

    mr.spui Adventurer

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  4. windmill

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    Talked to the folks at IMWA today to make sure they weren't going to send Ivan wack me.....

    Anyway, the official statement is that it's a preliminary prototype for testing and evaluation. As such it would be premature to make any conclusions about its configuration, performance, or ultimate availability.
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  5. High Octane

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    Don’t get me wrong I do like Urals for what they are. But I have no confidence they could make anything close to a cutting edge machine. If FedEx is actually considering such a company with its dubious reliability, I bet the UPS boys are laughing thier asses off.
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  6. JustKip

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    Thanks for the update, and I'm still going to keep an eye on this.
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  7. windmill

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    Fedex has absolutely nothing to do with this other than a couple of us local Uralistas who are sometimes asked to test ride prototypes happen to work for them.
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  8. High Octane

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    That makes a bit more sense.
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  9. 3legs

    3legs Real men ride sidecars

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    Ok guys I'm about to ask a dumb question so please go easy on me:D.

    I'm a complete novice when it comes to electrics and even more so with electric powered vehicles.

    If a car generator constantly charges a car battery when running, whats stopping an electric powered vehicle from doing the same thing. Like a generator running off the rear wheel or sidecar wheel or something to that effect.

    Theoretically this would mean never having to recharge every day.

    Now I know this has already been thought of but I can't find any explanation why it's not done.

    Please don't hit me with equations etc as they will go over my head. Just a simple straight to the point why it can't/hasn't been done.

    I'm guessing it's to do with any generator running from a rear wheel not being powerful enough to charge all the batteries at once but how many batteries would be required to run a bike/outfit. Can't be that many surely.

    Remember guys go easy on me:D


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  10. brianjonesphoto

    brianjonesphoto Hacked off

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    Because we have not figured out how to get to 100% efficiency yet and likely never will. It would take more power to overcome the extra drag created than you could generate. Regenerative braking could be very helpful on an electric hack. A partial free lunch.
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  11. rantingsmith

    rantingsmith Quadrilingual blacksmith seat of pants engineer

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    Cool, that clears up the jacket. I was intrigued by the picture and trying to find out more. When I stumbled across FedEx's commitment to electric vehicles on their website and read the press release about working with over 160 manufacturers to try and develop an effective electric vehicle fleet I just assumed the two obvious bits of info in the pic were related.

    Now I know they are not, they are merely coincidental.

    How cool to be asked to test ride though!


    Nothing worth doing is ever easy.

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  12. Heyload

    Heyload Bent but not broken

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    It's called The Law of Energy Conservation. Easier for you to look it up than for me to (badly) explain it.
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  13. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad Former World's Foremost Authority

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  14. TurTal

    TurTal Been here awhile

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    100 mile range?...For the Urbanite commuter...yes



    No way I could make that work

    I do that just pokin around in search of the perfect Cappucchino




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  15. krampus von der fan

    krampus von der fan This one time at bant camp.....

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    I wonder how much space the battery takes up in the sidecar. I'd go for one of these in a heartbeat if my dog could still ride.
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  16. windmill

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    None, the batteries are on the bike where the IC engine would be, the control unit and charger are in the trunk.
    Keep in mind it's only a preliminary R&D prototype, it's likely to be different and more refined if/when it goes into production.
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  17. chopfather

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    Of course something cool like this pops up right after I finally bought my 2018 Gear Up. Oh well, Im sure its years away from production if they ever do it.
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  18. Prmurat

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    I just went to check my ID, passport, birth certificate… I am sure there is a mistake: I feel so much older than my date of birth indicates!!! I dislike electric vehicles with a passion… Every time I see a Tesla I imagine which type of V8 or V12 would fit under the hood! Give me any petrol engine (specially a 2 strokes) and stop bitching about pollution without doing anything about cargo ships, jet airplanes or Monsanto!! Oil is rare? Not true!! Cheap oil we have been stealing from other countries is getting rare…oil is still there but we have to pay for it. If 25% of the population was to use electric vehicles there will be no more electricity around: solution?? Open more coal/atomic power plants or live in the middle or wind mills/water turbines etc???. let’s not start on batteries and the “destroy everything” (mining/kids, environment etc.) habit of Lithium or old lead/acid components. Of course solutions will be found to recycle everything (like old tires crumb for sport fields… too bad it maybe a cancer risk!) and have cleaner mines but what about working on better made internal combustion engines?? I am a big Ural fan and I think we need a better/bigger engine before an hair dryer between out legs!
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  19. windmill

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    I used to feel the same way, but first hand experience changed my mind. All the social/political baggage aside which I don't care about, from a personal perspective operating a EV is a fun and unique experience. Also, having commuted mostly by E-bicycle for a couple of years it's real easy getting used to not buying gas. I'm sorry I had to give it up as it only cost me about $24 a year in electricity.
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  20. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    This is a real problem if it comes to market as it is absolutely perfect for my city needs but I don’t have room for a third Ural.
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