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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Vankaye, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    We have the right to travel without restriction.

    Using a public road is the same as using a park, library, bus, or any other public asset.

    We can't chop down trees, pick flowers, or dump garbage in a park.
    We can't take a book from a library without returning it, tear out pages, or color in a book.
    We can't ride a bus without paying, or move furniture in it.

    We as individuals have the right to use them. We as individuals don't have the right to pick and chose what rules regarding their use we will obey, misuse or abuse them.

    I don't agree with all laws, and if enough people agree they can be changed, there is a process for that. The roads belong to everyone who pays taxes, and they all get a say, were not going to get what we want all the time.
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  2. windmill

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    I live, and work as a city P&D driver on the road 9+ hours a day in the Seattle metropolitan area.

    All things being equal, I can be just as safe at 10 under as I can at 10 over.

    IMO, anybody who needs to go faster or slower than traffic to be safe has an issue with their technical riding/driving skills, awareness, or judgment.
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  3. Rob.G

    Rob.G Mostly Harmless

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    Can't say I agree with this. I find I'm safer moving 10-15 mph faster than traffic. When I'm traveling WITH traffic, people don't see me, or forget I'm there, and will invariably merge into my lane or do other stupid/dangerous things around me. It's better to just get past them. This has nothing to do with a rider's skill or judgement, but is going to have more to do with the awareness of the motorists in a given area.

    Rob
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  4. eatpasta

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  5. eatpasta

    eatpasta Lawnmower Target

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    if I didnt get rear-ended by farm equipment in Hollywood so often, I might agree with you.

    I think the bottom line is that you have to blend to your surroundings. I ride differently in Los Angeles than I did when I rode in Seattle and I rode WAY differently in Saigon.
    None of the styles are safely transferable.
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  6. windmill

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    I agree being stationary in traffic is not the best option. Going 15 mph over the speed of traffic to accomplish that? I have a real hard time buying that.
    IMO, If its possible to be going 15 over the speed of traffic, being stationary in a bad position isnt an issue in the first place.
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  7. Wraith Rider

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    And in what way is all of that related to our right to ride motorcycles?
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  8. PhilB

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    I agree, except that 10-15 over is not the optimum for safety; I'd say more like 5 mph over ambient traffic is safest on a bike, and equal to ambient traffic is safest in a car.

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  9. ShaftEd

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    I remember that thread. Good old das Rider. His views aint too popular. Wonder how he's doing? Hope he hasn't run over any lane sharing motorcyclists since we last heard from him. BTW, I'm still in CA, and I'm still lane sharing on a regular basis.:deal:1drink
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  10. windmill

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    We are free to ride anything we want, in any way we want........on private property.

    The right to do it on a public road is with the stipulation that we follow certain rules and meet certain conditions.
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  11. windmill

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    Agreed,
    But as motorcyclists we should be able to be just as safe when thats not an option by changing lane position, varying our speed slightly to not be "stationary", staying out of blind spots, leaving ourself an out, and planning ahead.

    Being a little faster than traffic can be useful, but its not "nessary".
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  12. eatpasta

    eatpasta Lawnmower Target

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    :clap

    I would, however, prefer to not HAVE to lane split everywhere I went but the trip im going to take into Malibu in a few hours is only going to take me 45 mins where as in a car it would certainly take me more than an hour and a half in a car.
    :dunno

    thats why I live 2 miles from where I work and occasionally meet people for dinner
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  13. ttpete

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    This is also my philosophy of riding.

    It consists of continually observing and analyzing what's taking place around me and then taking measures to enhance my personal safety. If I detect an actual or possible threat, I take measures to minimize it by moving to a place where I'm no longer in danger. Sometimes it involves passing or lane changing. I am also watching ahead and deciding how to get through with minimum delay safely. I tend to move slightly faster than the traffic because it's easier to control things that way. It's better to initiate movement than to have to deal with what other drivers do.

    What I'm doing is using a process known as the "OODA Loop". Rather than taking time trying to explain it, I'll just point to a site that does it for me:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop

    This is what I consider to be "Assertive Riding". Others may have their own systems and definitions.
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  14. Vankaye

    Vankaye n00b on the move

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    You kind of took me out of context. I said I slow down for tailgaters to let them pass.

    I learned this when I, myself followed a motorcycle too close with my truck.:eek1 The guy raised his arm (at about a 45* angle) and paused for a second, then motioned with his fingers for me to pass. It was a dramatic gesture that made me feel like shit. He let me know, with a small gesture, that I was in impatient prick and he was just a guy, trying to get where he was going, in one piece.

    I now use that gesture my self and it works very well. :clap
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  15. hamiamham

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    I ride a combo of urban (nyc) and highway. For city streets - from both my own experience and from the studies - one seems most a risk at intersections and from drivers taking left-hand turns in your path. On the highway - for my money - the safest place is the right hand portion of the left lane doing approx 5mph over the traffic. Makes intuitive sense to me; I'd rather have the other vehicles in my field of view while overtaking them vs being over-taken from behind which scares the sh-t out of me. Just trying to stack the odds in my favor.
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  16. Badjuju

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    I gotta tell a story on myself here. It's not only speed that has the potential to kill...

    Was out for a mid-week fun ride in the country on my Wee--very rural two lane road with a 55 MPH limit. Ran up behind an old guy doing about 5-10 under just piddling along, so I wait until the road is clear ahead, altho admittedly with a double yellow down the center, and start to pass. As I come alongside his rear quarter panel, he swerves wildly across the line to block me, and not wanting to become the Sausage Creature, I drop back 'respectfully' and piddle along behind.

    Well, I know there's a traffic light a mile ahead and as he rolls to a stop, I pull up beside his driver's door and rap on the window with my knuckle. Just about then, I notice he's leaned over to the passenger seat and uncovered a very nasty looking SA piece that had been covered by a jacket. :eek1 Let's just say that I decided discretion was the better part of valor and bid him "Good day"...

    Let's be careful out there, ladies!!! The world is full of crazies, some of whom carry....
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  17. bumbeen

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    Oh my God that is insane
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  18. High Country Herb

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    I love tips like this. It sounds like a good way to take control of the situation safely, without inciting road rage.

    I did something similar last weekend. My wife and I were riding 2-up at a brisk pace on Highway 49, about to enter the "Little Dragon" portion of extreme twisties heading downhill. I see a tiny red dot in the mirror. Seconds, later that dot is full size, and right on my six. I could see that it was a very new AWD Nissan GTR "Godzilla", and the guy was ready for some fun. I waved him by, knowing that I appreciate when someone does that for me on fun roads. As I rounded the second corner, I could see he was a good mile ahead, and 500 foot of elevation below. :eek1 I have never seen anyone take that road that fast. I could not have kept pace with him even riding solo...
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  19. bumbeen

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    I like just avoiding being close to vehicles. If there is a group of 10 cars ahead of me a ways and none around me, I don't see any reason to catch them and start passing thrm
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  20. corndog67

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    But also remember. You are not in control of any situation when you are on your bike up against a car or truck. Other than to get the fuck out of there.