Split Orange Crush

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by NKL, Nov 22, 2013.

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  1. charlie264

    charlie264 Long timer

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    Have have no idea of the work involved in subdividing OC using the forum software/template, I sure a mod can chime in here. Or perhaps you've had your fun so time to act.

    Someone commented on the SE, I would happily see SD, SM LC8's added to OC, might get boring with endless tyre threads...but.

    The 1190 is closer to the Multistrada than the 9*0, different electrics, engine, running gear and suspension.

    OC is experiencing a new a wave of new bikers, perhaps a little less technically mechanical minded or maybe more than some of the old crowd, that followed a more natural progression to the Adv, not a bad thing.

    I've not seen a 1190, those who have seem happy to help. But lets do it it in another forum.
  2. nevgriff64

    nevgriff64 Spelt with 2 ffs Super Moderator

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    I've checked with upper Management and Orange Crush will remain the way it is. :wave

    Sorry guys and girls, we'll just have to give it some time and get used to it. :thumb
  3. renogeorge

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    I use the forums other than "Orange Crush" as much or more than I use OC. But I am wondering if migration to KTM Talk would be a better deal for our bike specific threads. The Big Bike/LC8 thread over there gets now where near the activity of OC. And their forums for Regional, Trip Planning and Ride Reports are way behind ADVRider. The focus there seems to be non-adventure (whatever that is) dirt biking with an emphasis on smaller bikes.

    Maybe we need to look to KTMTalk as the bike specific forum. I have no idea whether KTMTalk would set up bike specific categories to separate out 950/990 from 1190. From their numerous categories, I'd almost bet they would accommodate us.

    We could always jump back to ADVRider for the non bike specific forums--not ideal. But it might give a better result when seeking info on particular bikes.

    FWIW
  4. charlie264

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    That proves that they are a bunch of hypocrites. A forum is made of voices and not dictation.
  5. bluedog52

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    Split ,the 1190 is not meant for serious goat trail work by mere mortals. Might as well be with the gs1200's. Most 1190 guys say they have a dirt bike for dirt work and want the thrill of 150 ponies to gobble up fire roads to spend money on new rubber every week. Do highway miles to go long distance fishing and or to visit there second wife across state lines.:evil
  6. JOKER650

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    Shame on U ...nothing wrong with ADV and OC:ddog

    Stay here.:deal

    This will all sort it's self out.
    The 1190 is a new bike and it will be interesting to follow all the mods , farkles and repairs just like we have done with the...ahem... "OLD" ones.
    I think the 1190 riders seem to be a little different than the 9x0 riders (as in purchase of more of a street oriented bike...I may be wrong about the street part...time will tell), but in the end we all like the power/styling of the BIG KATOOM:clap.
    For myself...... I am not interested in having all those electronic bits on my bike., a bike that i regularly take deep into the bush through mud, water and desert conditions. If it ever stops running, I only want to have to be trouble shooting Fuel, spark or some minor electrical problems.
    The 1190 seems to have a lot of computer management systems...and I'm not interested in that on a motorcycle, not that it's a bad thing but it's not MY thing( I work on and repair electronically controlled mechanical mobile equipment every day).:huh, and one day I'm sure the 1190 will more than prove it's self as another great off-road product from KTM:deal

    1190 owners... don't take it personally..this isn't G-Spot:lol3, I think it's more tongue-in-cheek.
  7. nevgriff64

    nevgriff64 Spelt with 2 ffs Super Moderator

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    If you don't like the Boss's decision, by all means collect your ADVRider joining fee on the way out the door. :lol3

    Seriously though, give it some time to settle and i'm sure you will be back loving OC ( and the Mods/Admins ) soon enough. :thumb
  8. renogeorge

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    There are probably a lot of different reasons for supporting or opposing a split. I don't think most of us want a 950/990 forum for any reason other than to make it more useful/enjoyable. It's not like there isn't a precedent for splitting out specific models by the same make--with BMW only.

    I get that there are different engine/chassis configurations behind these designations. Aren't there similar designations with KTMs? With Japanese bikes? Is BMW the only bike manufacturer which produces different engine/chassis combinations which are distinct enough to justify multiple categories in ADVRider?

    Any reasonable person would see that you can't have a site which has a unique sub forum for every possible bike model owned by a forum user. So how has ADVRider settled on the 3 BMW, 1 KTM "Adventure" only, everything else split by non-brand/General categories? Is there not any room for the inmates to suggest changes? Is it unreasonable to get some little bit of an explanation as to why it has to be the way it is.

    Seems like usage should be a key consideration. Creation of a specific forum might be keyed to how many views/posts it gets. That doesn't seem to be the case with the current splits.

    I take most of the discussion as to splitting OC as "constructive criticism". Is it unreasonable to expect a first hand response from the Admin/Mods when there is so much obvious interest?

    ADVRider is a great site. I bet it could be better!
  9. NKL

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    Orange Crush - KTM's off road V twins, what's on the cover of the KTM Power Parts Street Catalogue? I'm sorry but the 1190 is not an off road motorcycle, it is a 150hp road bike with off road styling, and very bad mainstream styling at that.

    The people have spoken, give them what they want.
  10. Tjeu

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    In my country (Belgium that is), motorcycles wave to eachother while passing, because we are one group of idiots who enjoy the same beautyfull mechanical ballet. And we are proud of that shared joy.

    It's a shame the internet moved so far away from the real world...

    If there would be a split, i wouldn't check the 990/950 part anymore. That would be a shame, cause it is full with beautyfull pictures en useful information.

    But then again, i'm just a n00b...
  11. OrangeDevil37

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    further confirms what charlie264 says
  12. renogeorge

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    Think ADVRider couldn't be improved? Check out KTMTalk and their Classified Section vs the ADVRider "Flea Mart".

    Don't get me wrong. I'd like to see ADVRider listen to its members a little more and make the site better for all. The Adventure Rider concept is one that I like, because of its Adventure focus But if you are going to go bike specific--do it fairly and in a way that represents the inmate population and its reasonable desires. If not--skip all the bike specific stuff and lump 'em all together in one big Adventure (whatever that is) family.

    Hearing some "if you don't like it leave" comments from some. Are these guys mods? have an inside track to the mods?

    FWIW
  13. nevgriff64

    nevgriff64 Spelt with 2 ffs Super Moderator

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    :fpalm

    OK, sorry, my attempted humour was taken the wrong way, so lets try again. :deal



    If Orange Crush was to be split, then we would have to do the same with GSpot. If Orange Crush and GSpot was split then V-Strom owners would be jumping up and down until they were split.

    How long before every DR/KLR/690/640/XR/Tenere etc owner would be asking for their own forums?



    Sorry guys and girls, it just isn't going to happen. :dunno
  14. sonoran

    sonoran you already know

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    As an alternative can you punt all of the 1190 threads over to Gspot?














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    :lol3
  15. knobbyjoe

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    I like Advrider and OC. I am paying to use smugmug to support this forum.

    Just saying that your answer is just going to piss people off. It's sounds like a classic gate keeper put off. Everyone would want a split seems... well... phony reasoning.
  16. kag

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    You were exactly right the first time.....its a free forum that is privately owned and we use it for free and some donate to it at times to keep it up and running. Shit everywhere people bitch about stuff that they get for free.....and most of the time its for no other reason than to just bitch. Just use what you like and keep moving over the stuff you don't


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    Yeah, in every board meeting you need to be careful. If you have an opinion that does not go along, someone will always enjoy looking good by putting you down. Goes with the territory if you speak up.
  18. Uneasy Rider

    Uneasy Rider The life of Riley

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    Bummer.

    The O.C. has officially morphed into the new G spot.:cry
  19. charlie264

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    Not to shoot the pigeon.

    But on that logic, why not split ADV into Singles, Flats, Parallels and V twins and fours.

    The rotax single is a bad analogy, I'd have no problem with combining Husky 900 and F 800 which follows more your reasoning. In reality both the GS and 1190 are more road bikes, whilst the 9*0 are in a similar spectrum the heritage was 100% off road.
  20. Sumi

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    I just still can't understand how people think that the 9x0 and 1190 shares anything in common. There's not a single part of the bikes that are same (including the soul, spirit, or call it whatever) - Okay, the KTM and the Adventure (Why not join the GSA forum as well?) logo. Following this logic, the whole forum should be in one big mess, because all them bikes have engines in it & wheels on it.

    Can a MOD _PLEASE_ give us a rational reason for this no split thingy, without all the BS?
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