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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Rider, Jun 29, 2012.
You are correct, sir!
I've had 'em all: Gold Wing and BMW K1200LT Big Tourers and ADV bikes, an R1150GS and V-Strom 1000, as well as an ST1300 and FJR1300 in the sport touring class.
I have no interest in the mega tourers anymore and like the ADV bikes but don't love them. I have no interest in dumping an expensive adventure bike in the dirt since my off-road skills are pretty damn limited and I ride exclusively on pavement. And I want enough power with full luggage and my lovely wife on the back to make quick work of whoever is in front of me 'cuz I like to move at a fairly brisk pace.
Sport tourers fill my needs for power, weather protection (without being stifling), handling, luggage, looks and comfort better than anything else on the road. I just really, really like 'em.
Having said that, I'm one of those, "Hey, whatever floats your boat" guys. From Wee-Strom to Big Harley, hell, I don't care as long as you like it.
No criticism ever intended. Just stating my point of view.
That's how I feel too.
I like the way you talk (as spoken in my best Carl voice).
After having read through this thread, it occured to me that the definition of sport touring seems to have changed or been blurred. A Sport/Touring bike was ment to be a sporty bike that could be ridden at a brisk pace while comfortable enough to do some light touring. It is a bike that goes from point A to point B 250 miles away quickly and comfortably. If you have to stop for gas or to stretch before you get there, you are not on a S/T bike. BMW created the market with the R100RS and continued the tradition with the R1100RT line of bikes. By definition the Kaw 14 Concourse and Yamaha FJR1300 and BMW K1600GT are, but not to me because the engines are too busy. To me, the Honda ST1100 and ST1300 capture the spirit perfectly. Sorry boys, just because you call it a S/T bike does make it one. Forget the race replicas, the ADV bikes, cruisers, ect.... they are not nor ever will be a S/T bike!
I think the reason you don't see them on the road much any more is because now owning a motorcycle is fashionable and they don't have the flash. Now the bikes to own are cruisers and ADV bikes to a lesser extent and neither usually accumulates many miles per number of bikes on the road. Sport Touring bikes are geared towards the people that want to get out and hit the road and put some serious miles on a bike and that is not the majority on people that ride anymore.
I've had both an ST1100 and now an FJR1300. Outside of the FJR fitting me much better I don't see the difference that you do in definition.
This is what I use my C14 for. It has seen TN, MS, AL, GA, SC, NC, and KY so far in the year I've owned it. My Z1K is fine for a few hours, but at my age, it won't be ridden out of the local area.
Back in '79, I rode my Honda 400F from New Brunswick, NJ to Phoenix, AZ in about five days. This picture was taken by a couple, and then handed to me while moving along the Interstate! Water-proof wrap on the seat is made up of two or three pieces of Holiday Inn shower curtains taped together!
So, spending a day putting the miles behind me are still something I want to do, I just need a comfortable bike that has good spirited characteristics about it. My Connie 14 fills the need.
I have an FJR. It's a sport-tourer.
What is a "busy" engine?
I know, right?
More than X number of moving parts, I guess.
(Insert your personal preference for X.)
You have no idea how some of us ride our bikes. . I could do what you describe on a Wing, my old BMW GS or my sportbike with luggage.
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I still like the look of the 80's BMWs and Moto Guzzis but, owning one now isn't really appealing. The technological progression to where were are now is awesome - 6-speed transmissions, huge front discs for braking, non-jacking shaft drives, switchable eco mode fueling, etc.
The amount of fundamentalist dogma being tossed around in this thread is a bit disappointing considering the forum we're in.
My riding buddy and I were crossing I-80 from Salt Lake City to Truckee a couple of years ago and, on that long, hot day in August, a young lady on a Bergman scooter pretty much kept pace with us till she exited at Reno. If you've got the itch to ride long miles, you can pretty much do it on anything.
Back at ya, amigo.
Those are fat-assed touring bikes by my definition of S/T !!!
Guzzis are easy to own. I plan on adding Hepco + Becker racks to this one this year. 1991 LeMans 1000 CI.
Yes... Carbs, stiff throttle, 5-speeds, 280mm brakes, 35mpg.
Yet, sublime nonetheless...
I really like how the valves are right there if/when they need adjustments! I've got a framed poster of a red LeMans in the garage!
Go ride a Moto Guzzi or a BMW twin and then hop on a inline-4 or 6, if you still don't understand what busy is then you won't understand. For those that think their GS, standard or GSXR with soft luggage is a S/T bike, let me explain it this way. If you show up at a sports car ralley in a jacked up Nova and you call it your sports car, does not make it one!
From the coments about my post, I feel that I have proven my point. The definition of a S/T bike has been blurred by the public, but the manufacturers still know the recipet and they all build the same type of bike, after all they created that segment of the market.
Rocker- I love the LeMans series of bikes and your looks like a fine example, lucky man!! I have also always been fond of the SP series.