Sporting Wood air filter, and Rottweiler "Dog House" and snap-out?

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  1. smitty141

    smitty141 Been here awhile

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    Ordering a Sporting Wood air filter and was wondering??? Has anyone added the Rottweiler "Dog house" for extra storage?? Plus Rottweiler offers a cool Snap out bracket to remove the glove box in seconds...

    Anyone tried to mismatch the two brands??

    Thanks Smitty
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  2. MAXVERT

    MAXVERT OG on da OC

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    Same filter different base plates.

    I'm not a fan of the storage box behind the air filter.
    I'm thinking the increased air flow without the box there
    is better than the small amount of additional storage.

    Max
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  3. toto#77

    toto#77 Been here awhile

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    Could you please post a link for buy that filter?
    Thanks

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  4. Orangecicle

    Orangecicle On a "Quest"

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    Haven't done the same yet, but it is on my list of winter projects. I have the ITG filter and a red CPR pre filter. I'm going to add the doghouse and the quick snap out thingy. Chris has the full kit on his bike at the Steamboat Springs KTM Rally, and I saw it there. Nice stuff.
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  5. pizzaboy

    pizzaboy retiring tomorrow

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  6. toto#77

    toto#77 Been here awhile

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    Tnk

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  7. renogeorge

    renogeorge Let's ride!!

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    I have 1 of each filter setup--Sportingwood and CPR. I havent tried the snap out or box yet. From what I can tell, either would fit with either filter. Neithe item attaches to the filter or base plate.

    FWIW
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  8. SierraJeep

    SierraJeep It's toast

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    I am still waiting on my ITG filter, but it was my intention to do this specifically so I could add the dog house (and likely the quick access). Space is precious on my 990 and every cubic millimeter is accounted for on long trips. :lol3
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  9. keener

    keener Speed changes you.

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    Sporting wood's filter and CPR filter are idendical. Its made by ITG. CPR must have commision them to spary their logo on it.

    The plates are essentially the same size too.
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  10. Weldit

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    this filter comparison was already done on another thread
    I can't seem to find the pix - but there was a definite difference in the
    size of the foam cells - not just a paint on logo.
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  11. renogeorge

    renogeorge Let's ride!!

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    No difference in foam densities that I can see. I have both and compared them side by side.
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  12. CPRFAB

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    Rottweiler on the right.

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  13. pdxmotorhead

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    ITG sells filters for many uses, and they build filters to specific specs if you have the money..

    I like their filters with a wrap just to make cleaning easy, (I use them on sprint cars.. ) makes it easy to get the filter back between sessions by swapping the filter wraps between sessions just to get the clay off.. :)

    Near as I can tell both have a pretty good design, and each has a bit of their own salt..

    BTW I've also been using these filters on a variety of bike motor powered cars for years.. Just sad it didn't occur to me to do it on the bike.. LOL


    Cheers
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  14. renogeorge

    renogeorge Let's ride!!

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    I have spoken with both these guys. Both are helpful and seem like really good guys. Too bad it has to come to this finger pointing and namecalling.

    I don't see the copycat issue. Guys have been bolting filters to base plates for years. Look at the ITG website. They also sell an automotive kit which includes a steel plate, which looks a lot like these 2 suppliers, and their filter. SW uses an aluminum plate and CPR plastic. So who copycatted who? I'm no patent expert but it seems clear that this is pretty common practice.

    I am a businessman and understand the need to recover your costs--in this case R and D for the cool products being offered for sale. I also believe in the power of the free market. If you want protection of your ideas from use by others, you should patent them, if they are unique enough to qualify.

    I appreciate the fact that both these guys are enthusiasts and are offering great products with that passion behind them. But in the end, Business is business. And buying based on perceived value is a good thing.

    As to the foam density discussion, I am going to pull my filter and again compare....Guess a filter wrap could be used if there is any difference or finer filtering is needed
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    <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:AllowPNG/> <o:TargetScreenSize>1024x768</o:TargetScreenSize> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--> I am more or less referring to the fact that 10 years went by without anything like our product hitting this particular market and within months of releasing our Rottweiler Intake there is another that looks exactly the same as ours? Slamming our design at the same time?? This is what chaps my seat cover really, and the “same thing” has been done to death by mostly people that bought into the “same thing” idea. When you spend the time and money to create something different and better, you will defend it too. Trust me on that one. Just my friendly and human 2 cents.
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  16. mdfehrmann

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    I'd be buying the filter on the right. Just saying.
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  17. The Griz

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    +2, I'd rather spend my money where the idea/design originated.
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  18. DesertSurfer

    DesertSurfer Tail sprayin

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    As a KTM Adventure addict... I totally appreciate all the aftermarket entrepreneurs out there... each and every one. It takes risk, hard work, execution and often times a delayed appreciation. I prefer to honor and respect each and every one for the journey they take improving upon my valuable riding experience. Granted there's a varied range of involvement by each and every one of these entrepreneurs. Some are hobbiests, others are established shops with labor payrolls, shop rents and heavy equipment loans... fully committed and capable of developing a multitude of intelligent product improvements.

    I understand as a customer here, there is always a balance between weighing "value" and "commitment". And there's no right or wrong in supporting "value" or "commitment".

    But IMHO there's a lack of consideration in overlooking or disrespecting the additional risk and expenses required by a "commitment" vendor.

    If I'm going to support a "value" vendor, then I'll do so.

    But if I decide I want to support a "committed" vendor... supporting a company trying to make a difference long term...

    Then out of respect, and in this case, I'd be buying CPR's "whole package"... in otherwords buying CPR's Rottweiler filter, Snap Out bracket and Dog House storage box.

    It's because I'm guessing the R&D and motivation behind the Snap Out bracket and Dog House box were intended to benefit those helping pay to the bills... by purchasing the Rottweiler filter in the first place. And the added support of the Snap Out and Dog House will, inevitably, lead to other smart products.

    I know I'm free to support the value vendors as I choose, but I will also give the proper respect to the committed vendors... those who have far more invested in the business of designing and fabricating quality products and bringing those products to market.

    And I hope other adv members will put their individual personal biases aside with regards to "value" vendors and "committed" venders... and simply show their proper respects for the craftsmen of this crazy products business.

    As 950/990 owners, we are all in a win- win situation here.
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  19. renogeorge

    renogeorge Let's ride!!

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    As in this 2007 thread, guys seem to have been "embracing" this concept for quite a while.

    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273694

    I will pull my filter and compare the 2 foam densities. Something seems fishy here--almost like one picture is of the inside and the other the outer. There are different densities used on inner vs outer. But, I will post my pictures regardless.
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  20. pdxmotorhead

    pdxmotorhead Long timer

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    ITG has been around a Looooong time in all kinds of racing,, but,, they don't import well, they leave it up to small specialty shops and their stuff is not warehoused in the US.. the small car classes in SCCA as well as a lot of dirt track guys use them.. An over sock or something similar is a good thing to extend the life of the foam.. It rinses well but gets worn out if you scrub it too much or physically abuse it to get mud/water/other stuff Off..

    ITG makes several combinations of foam, Depending on the use its to be put to.. I'm sure from various pics that Rotweiler went with the good stuff, they (ITG) also sell a couple cheaper combinations for folks who don't have to worry about dirt like a ADV bike.. Or that plan on tearing the motor down every race..

    ITG kinda leaves it to the end user to pick the right stuff to meet their expectations..

    The cool thing Rottweiler did is figured out all the fit.. I've built a lot of filter plates, its a pain in the butt. I charge 400 to fit a filter plate on a Hillborn Injected V8.. NO parts included.. Cause I dont like doing it.. and racers are in general internet shopping Whores and cheap bastards that don't like to pay for anything... :hide :evil

    Dave
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