St1300-2012

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by rider33, Sep 24, 2011.

  1. rider33

    rider33 Long timer

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    'looks like Honda will be bringing back the ST after all:

    http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=6225-en

    7+ gallons, 70 liters of water-tight storage, more relaxed ergo's
    and a 3 yr, unlimited milage warranty with tons of dealers.
    I never really got these things until I bought one. Now that
    I have, I can't quite figure out why they don't sell a ton more
    of them. 'What a '75 Goldwing might have evolved into had
    It stayed closer to it's sporting roots and missed that turnoff
    Into Vetterville.
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  2. Bubwheat

    Bubwheat Long timer

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    I don't understand Honda not doing some significant upgrades to this bike. Is it because of police sales? I had a 2003, loved a lot about the bike, but in the end, it was too heavy and too hot. If I ever bought another, it would never be a new one, as there are so many good used ones on the market.
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  3. gumshoe4

    gumshoe4 Been here awhile

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    I have considered a used ST1300, as there are, as Bubwheat stated, so many nice used ones on the market...but one thing that has weirded me out and prevented me from making a final decision to do so is the "speed weave" that one hears about sometimes...even on the ST1300 website. Would not want to buy such a fine machine and suddenly discover I'm all over the road on it. That's probably an exaggeration, but would like to know the experience of owners with regard to this issue, as I think the ST1300 and also the 1100 are otherwise very fine motorcycles.
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  4. PineyMountainRacing

    PineyMountainRacing Oops....

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    I've put almost 8000 miles on my '06, it had less than 2000 when I bought it. Running down the highway by myself, or with a passenger and baggage, it tracks straight and true. Most stable bike I've ever ridden on the Interstate. Not that I would ever run that fast, but "I've heard tell" they are just as stable at 100mph and higher. It is heavy, but when I'm on it I don't feel the weight. CG seems pretty low and it's well balanced. I have 1 of those little good luck bells that was given to me hanging from the bottom of my exhaust, that sucker's half gone now :D

    I rode a friends '06 before I bought mine, and didn't feel comfortable on it at high speeds. After doing some work on the forks, replacing an axle spacer / seal that was installed incorrectly and finishing off with a new set of Road 2's, it felt as good as mine. I think he's got 40k on his.

    If someone said their bike had a death weave, I'd check tires and front end, etc..

    My .02 anyway.

    PMR
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  5. rider33

    rider33 Long timer

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    Yeah, the weave bit along with the heat was what gave me pause actually. Compared to the Road King I use to use as my touring bike tho, the ST is not hot at all. The weave I think was more of an early run issue and Honda being Honda no doubt adressed it. I don't tend to run above 90 MPH much but when I have it's been dead stable. She is a big girl, then again for serious distance that's not all bad and it's still a good hundred or two lighter than an FL or a Wing. 'Certainly not for everyone but one hell of a good traveling bike and quite well priced of late.
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  6. dduelin

    dduelin Amazing grace how sweet the sound....

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    Look at the 2011 mileage tracker on ST-Owners.com. It will pass 3.1 million miles this weekend. Most of those miles are racked up on Honda STs. That ought to tell you what owners think about the Honda ST and the weave. Some weave and some don't and even those that do don't keep owners from racking up huge miles on them. They just stay under 130 mph.
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  7. slipknot

    slipknot Been here awhile

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    The weave was supposedly caused by wind reacting with the trunk, which was discovered in Europe, so Honda did not offer the trunk in the US. I've not had the pleasure of owning the 13 but having owned two 11's I can tell everyone there is nothing more stable. I've had both over 100mph in the rain and I've crossed very rough railroad crossings, where cars and trucks slow to 20, at 80mph+ in the rain. And not at all scary.

    I've also spent too much time working in a Honda Dealership and these two bikes as well as the VFR series are in the top 5 of low maintenance and repair. And that is comparing against all other Nippon products as well as US and European brands. I've owned them all, I've worked on almost all of them with the exception of Ducati and I don't need that experience. Those of you that wrote this bike off on rumors and third person accounts have really missed out.

    One last thought: there have been some stability problems when morons run their tires at half pressure and one or two needed the stem nut torque set. Heat problems are often solved by proper tuning.
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  8. Bubwheat

    Bubwheat Long timer

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    My '03 had the weave when well north of 100mph, and no I did not have a top case. Yes, it scared me and yes, I didn't head north of 100mph after that.

    Other than that, the bike was rock solid, and really the heat issue really only became a problem on a very hot day, in slow traffic.
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  9. Vbird

    Vbird In Room 237

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    Put 22k on my '04. No weave with 36L top box- bad weave around trucks at 80+ with 52L top box. Cranking up pre-load helped alot. Honda fairing deflectors were a huge improvement for the heat- should have been standard (along with the acc harness & outlet).

    I was hoping for a touring VFR, guess that won't happen now.:cry
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  10. squirrelnator

    squirrelnator Mystical Adventurer

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    I have put over 60,000 miles on my 2005 ST, no top box and more than a few times in triple digit speeds. Never even a hint of a wobble.

    Rather than a 2012 model I recommend a good used one. These things will run forever. I expect to get 150,000 miles easily.:D
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  11. HornHonker

    HornHonker Been here awhile

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    I'm suprised honda restarted production with no changes considering stock piled up in the wearhouses. I guess they think
    this lack of inovation will stir our blood and result in sales ?? Ofcourse we will no doubt get to pay ever more for what is now
    an old model.
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  12. rolarosa

    rolarosa Adventurer

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    I have a bit over 50,000 on an 04 St and the bike has been a pleasure. I too am disappointed Honda won't update it. Why not a minor refresh like they did with the Gold Wing?
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  13. FXRBILL

    FXRBILL Been here awhile

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    50,000 this week on an '06 bought new in '07.Has seen lots of 100+ and 140 many times with no wobble.Bike is stock except for the seat.Only issues have been a stuck open t-stat and blew a fork seal at 33,000.Both items covered under factory warranty.Burns no oil and gets 45-50 mpg.Would've had a lot more miles but my Aprilia is a little cooler to ride in the middle of the summer.
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  14. rider33

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    Honda tends to run longer production cycles and even the Goldwing took 11 years before a Tupperware refresh, it also sells in much larger numbers. Personally, I'm kind of glad they haven't messed with it as not all improvements are really for the better. Then again, I haven't been riding one for the last 7 years either. You've got to hand it to Honda tho, that roughly ten year old designs like the GW & ST are still competitive is a testiment to their design prowess. A 2012 also means full parts support for another ten years. Bikes with long production runs tend to be easy to find parts for down the line. Having owned a few where everything is back- ordered forever, I've learned to appreciate the value of that.
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  15. ST-DocLizard1

    ST-DocLizard1 Serial Monogamist

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    39K on my ' 04 ST1300A. No weave with the Pan European TopBox, heat is not noticeable with pants & boots,and heavy until you are underway. All in all, a great mile muncher on the slab and fun in the twisties when you get the suspension sorted out. More labor intensive than my ' 81 Wing, but ABS, fuel injection, and linked brakes makes up for it.

    Thermostat & the final drive flange bearing are the typical maladies that I have encountered and addressed.

    My last touring rig I hope.


    Doc
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  16. Süsser Tod

    Süsser Tod Long timer

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    I really don't understand what Honda is trying to do. The VFR1200 is too close to the ST1300, and neither one sells well.

    Why? What were they thinking? Why build two similar models?
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  17. Josh69

    Josh69 Uhhh

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    Must change my bike in my signature....

    I've had my Pan European (as the ST is called in Europe) for a few months now. Have taken it up to 120mph indicated, 110mph or so GPS speed.

    I ride with the topbox on all the time.

    I haven't had the weave but what I did have at 110/120mph was a front wheel shimmy which felt like it could develop into a tank slapper. Felt like it was about 3 cycles per second and it was a handlebar shake, not a bike weave. Did not like the feeling at all and I slowed down immediately. Think 100mph will be my maximum speed from now on.

    FYI, my topbox has a warning not to exceed 130km/h (80mph) printed inside.
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  18. RocketJohn

    RocketJohn Hook em' Horns!

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    Take the top box off and run it up again to 110/120mph and report back what you feel... make sure your tires psi is not low.
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  19. Blakebird

    Blakebird r-u-n-n-o-f-t

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    I picked up an '04 ST1300 with 10,900 miles on it a few months ago at a local dealer for $7300...my better half wanted to resume riding two up after a few years off, and this ST was MINT, and had a number of accessories.

    This bike came with the Pan Euro top box, and the PO had put on a Superbrace, as well as all the fairing trim pieces, tank/knee pads, etc.
    The bike is in immaculate condition, as you'd expect from the low miles.

    I took it up into Montana on a long solo weekend ride....and experienced the weave first hand. I was behind a tractor-trailer rig at about 80mph and in his dirty air. The best way to describe the way the ST felt, was that it felt light and not bearing it's full weight on the ground....and that it was being moved around by a strong wind. A little unsettling...

    I passed the truck at around 100mph briefly... and got into clean air, but the unusual sensation didn't really go away until I got back down to 80 or so.
    With a passenger it's less noticeable, but still there. I attribute it to the top box, solely based on what I've read, but the top box stays. For it's two-up mission, the bike is fine. If I were just buying a distance bike for myself, I'd go back to the Gen II FJR. The ST is a stupendous mile-muncher though, and covers ground in huge chunks in great comfort. I'm very happy with the bike, and the bit of weave is something I can ride around or avoid altogether, as the conditions where it appears do not come up often riding two-up (ie, passing vehicles at 100mph :D )

    I put 34,000 miles on an '07 FJR a couple years ago, and it's a much more stable bike at speed. Always planted and stable, and generally much sportier overall - though the ST can be hustled along quite nicely.
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  20. Josh69

    Josh69 Uhhh

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    As I posted above, I haven't had the weave even at 100+mph but above about 90mph, the front wheel does start to feel 'light' with the topbox on.

    How did you find the clutch on the FJR? I test rode one of these before I bought the ST but I didn't get it because the clutch was too heavy..... I commute in traffic and the ST clutch is nice and light.
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