star tron

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by evanphoto, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. Anorak

    Anorak Woolf Barnato

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    While the LL may mean low lead, it has more lead than the old leaded pump gas. It will kill oxygen sensor and catalytic converters fast and is illegal to use on the street because of the lead.
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  2. kantuckid

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    I wonder what magic (other than maybe $$$) is in the newer Stihl syn 2 cycle oil that causes them to give a double length warranty on new machines with purchase of that oil? Makes you think it may just be better for real reasons.
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    Can you describe the chemistry for this?
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    Smoke Eater 3 Been here awhile

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    I'm a HAZMAT certified Firefighter. We had a class on alcohol fuels and part of the class involved fuel additives. We checked every one we could find. Star tron did absolutely nothing to the alcohol in the gas. Green Stabil worked as did K100. All the others did nothing. Don't waste your money.
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  5. H96669

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  6. showkey

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    Please explain more............what was test and how was it determined that some of these products "did nothing"????? Did nothing as far fire fighting or nothing as far as preventing storage problems???

    Hope a petroleum engineer or chemist was teaching the class........
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  7. concours

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    I think this is merely a sales incentive to get people to use a MODERN, HIGH QUALITY SYNTHETIC in their quality built engines and realize the full durability potential. SOOOOOOOOOOOO many two strokes die an early death at the hands of knuckle draggers using cheap shit, low quality dino oil not meeting the spec for the screaming saw engines. A great hook.
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  8. kantuckid

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    Perhaps, but when a company doubles the warranty on the use of that oil which your going to buy something anyway is a powerful statement as they have a cost associated with that warranty if it doesn't stand up. I'm trying it for the 2st time with my new Stihl big backpack blower and it is I think specified for that 4stroke/oil/fuel engine
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    You know, I bought a brand new Stihl chain saw a couple...three years back. The oil they sold me that doubled the warranty IS NOT synthetic. Just plain Stihl Premium 2 stroke oil. But it does say on it "with fuel stabilizer added". Blended and packaged in Canada.:wink:

    Hum,warranty is over and never even used all that oil....or the warranty.:rofl
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  11. HapHazard

    HapHazard Waiting for Gudenov

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    Sign me up for one of those "275 Gallon Totes" of Amsoil 2 stroke oil - it'll last me a lifetime, and afterwards it'd make a dandy coffin and the leftover oil would be enough to preserve me mortal remains. :lol3

    What the hell, it's only $8800.:D
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  14. Paulie

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    FWIW the 97 Conc that I got ran lousy, prolly from sitting too much. Conc carbs are famous for having teeny tiny EZ to clog passages.

    Being a lazy bastard (the carbs needed to be r/r for cleaning) I tried a # of the diff snake oils, Seafoam, Berrymans, Techron, etc. Nothing seemed to help. Then did the Star Tron dance...& eventually it got all betta. Glory freekin halelujah! :clap Now run it only every 2 or 3 weeks & add a taste of ST, no worries.
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    Anyone dug up the science behind the "enzymes" yet? :earThat's commonly used in diesel tanks to kill the bacterias.....in the marine industry where I work anyway.Otherwise bacterial growth can sure plug up filters and lines.

    Anyway, I just opened up the tank on my Canadian bike. Ran a lot of US gas in it last year and now seems to be a coating of "something" all over the tank.Slightly slimey at first but now dried out. Could it be bacterias....????? I could maybe find out if I can scrape some out and pass that on to my sister, that's what she does for a living, look at bacterias and assorted other cooties.:eek1

    So maybe there could be something to Enzyme treatments. Hum....time to cut open that fuel filter anyway, hope it is cleaner than the last one I opened after much running on US gas.:eek1

    I am not a big fan of Ethanol but even in the days before it, my Canadian specs R100GS never liked American gas in general, even with premium pinging and reduced performance happened all too often down there. Not so much with this EFI bike, only once with high altitude gasoline and could have been a fluke fron filling up in an out of the way place but fuel milleage sure drops when I am down there.:cry
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  16. Paulie

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    Kfart has it for cheep $4.04. Usually I pay ~$7 at Lowe's. Last nite I kleened out my store in the hood. So now I'm all set up in Star Tron land. :evil
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  17. longhaul747

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    Never had much luck with Star Tron. Some swear by it but the one winter I used it I had to rebuild by carbs in the spring time. Maybe I did not dose it good enough or whatever but I find the product a bit sketch.

    What works really well for me is K100MG and 2 oz per 5 gallons of TCW3 2 Stroke oil. I have yet to have a fuel related issue with this combo and I have stored some bikes as long as 4 months with zero issues even with ethanol laced fuel.

    Out of all the fuel stabilizing products I have used (I am a sucker for chemicals and got a nice collection of them) the K100MG seems to work the the best. The TCW3 helps bring back the lubricating properties lacking in the new fuel and keep the fuel system bits from corroding plus I believe it does have mild fuel stabilizing properties itself. So it does not hurt.

    Only problem with the K100MG is the cost. For a tiny bottle good for about 20 gallons its $9.95 but it does work.

    Overall very happy with the K100MG but its more reserved for winter storage. I recently ordered a new product called. BioborEB and its pretty highly rated and the only ethanol fuel treatment certified by the US Coast Guard. Its $14.95 a bottle and is this size treats 240 gallons. I have yet to try it though as I just got it yesterday!

    http://www.biobor.com/fuel-additives-products-biobor-eb-ethanol-buster-index.php

    Really the best thing to do is fuel up with ethanol free fuel. However here in Washington its getting very difficult to find. Nothing changed in regards to the laws as 10% of the fuel sold is still allowed to be ethanol free but single refiner in the area recently stopped production. Whats left out there is very expensive and in premium grade only and this is only until the short term contracts expire and whats left in the tank. At this point onward using ethanol free is unfortunately now very impractical to impossible.
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