I think it's great how the big adv turf war has spawned new riding sites and forums for those who choose to not tolerate banter. I wonder if they were to ever take a poll, how many members of those so called "controlled" sites live in gated comunities? You know, the kind where you get fined if your porch light goes out or fined for simply not turning it on if you feel like it. Long live beyond Starbucks version 2.0, beyond the bs! F Maybe one day we could have a triple whammy ride where riders from all 3 sites could meet up and have friendly competition. Events could include flashiest safety vest, most expensive bike, most money spent on a tent, who can ride the best after taking 10 bong hits, best rider on the least powerful bike, worst rider on the most powerful bike, longest wheelie, best bang for the buck. The oh my god, this guy showed up award and many others. We would have to do it someplace in the open, in so cal of course, big bike friendly. What should we call it?