Stoopid deer...

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by KaHOnas, Dec 10, 2013.

  1. KaHOnas

    KaHOnas One big piston

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    So, last night around 9:30 I get a case of the munchies. I decide to make a run for the border, as it were. On the way back, possibly attracted to the smell of 12 tasty tacos and a burrito for the wife, a deer decides to walk out in front of me. I struck the little bastard but somehow managed to stay upright. See the minimal damage below.

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    His head hit the right headlight, then struck my right middle, ring, and pinky fingers. I think I may have broken my ring finger. There's some nasty bruising under the nail. His butt must have spun around and taken out my right pannier. I rode on, thinking "if it's broken now, it'll be broken when I get home". But, I stopped anyway and realized the right pannier was missing. So, I went back to find an older couple out picking up all the pieces. They were great people. He even helped me re-attach the repairable but momentarily unmountable pannier.

    Not only am I fine (except for my finger) and didn't wreck, but the tacos were fine, as well. What a great night!
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  2. Scott_PDX

    Scott_PDX Leisure Engineer

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    Well...as long as the taco's were good :rofl.

    Bummer luck, glad you didn't get hurt worse. Those forest rats are hard to avoid.
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  3. vt1099ace

    vt1099ace Been here awhile

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    Venison tacos!....
    Forest rats...almost got smacked myself once, around sunset.
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  4. ObiJohn

    ObiJohn Screaming Banshee

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    Yet another reason why I don't ride at night. It's hard enough seeing road hazards without some random critter deciding to play Frogger.
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  5. TexaNate

    TexaNate Been here awhile

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    Bummer about the deer but congratulations on keeping it upright! Just out of curiosity - how fast were you moving? And did that asshat deer have insurance?

    Also - you might look into mounting a deer whistle to your machine. It works (according to studies) and if it only saves you once, it more than pays for itself.

    Ride safely!
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  6. GBAUTO

    GBAUTO Bambi Assassin

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    +1
    Learned that lesson the hard way on my SV riding home after dusk- Bambi did a bee-line for my headlight and set me over the bars and wadded up the forks on the bike. Glad I had my gear on and was just banged up a bit.
    The bike is referred to as the 'Deerslayer' now...
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  7. KaHOnas

    KaHOnas One big piston

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    I was doing about 35-40, I think. And, I never got a chance to ask him for his insurance card.
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  8. steelerider

    steelerider Southafricanamerican

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    Glad you weren't hurt too badly. The same incident for me ended up with a shattered collar bone, 4 broken ribs, and a helicopter ride.
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  9. KaHOnas

    KaHOnas One big piston

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    I consider myself very lucky.
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  10. brewmann

    brewmann Been here awhile

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    I did my part and planted 4 in the freezer this year. I have never seen so many as I did this season. It is getting problematic, but don't tell the tree huggers that. Glad you are okay.
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  11. jfman

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    Mmmmm tacos...

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  12. SgtDuster

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    :bert
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  13. VHRAM

    VHRAM Been here awhile

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    Glad your ok !
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  14. DougFromKentucky

    DougFromKentucky Just a good 'ole boy

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    What studies? The study I know of was the National Park Service and the US Forest Service mounted them as a trial in the mid 90's to their vehicles due to the high number of vehicles having deer strikes. The study was aborted after a couple of years as just as many vehicles had deer strikes with the deer whistles as without. Their study showed the whistles made absolutely no difference.

    So, put the whistles on your bike if it makes you feel better having them on it but know that they don't work. Magic thinking rarely does.

    Namaste'
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  15. TexaNate

    TexaNate Been here awhile

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    I was unable to find the National Park Service/US Forest Service study to which you refer. I've been able to locate people referencing such a study, but not the study itself. Would you please link me to it?

    It's good to be skeptical, but a poorly informed skeptic is as bad as (if not worse than) a poorly informed sheep sipping cool-aid (yes SgtDuster, I see you). If you're going to knock me by saying "know that [deer whistles] don't work", you better have done at least a quick Google search of your own, or referenced something - anything - to back up your own sage wisdom. You might be the wisest rider of us all, but we'd have to see some data!

    The most statistically thorough study that I have been able to locate is probably the County of Modoc's (empirical data complete with a chi-squared test for significance), and Business Research Group, to name but two. See their conclusions for limitations (e.g. omitted variable bias when people who run deer whistles are also probably more likely to be more careful around deer in other ways). Nevertheless, their findings suggest that deer whistles make a difference.

    As for whether this difference is worth the cost of a deer whistle, consider an argument of expected savings: Deer whistles run about $5 each - let's say $10 shipped and installed. Assume the probability of you hitting a deer in the foreseeable future is about 1/10, and the cost of such a collision would be around $1,000, estimating conservatively, obviously depending on your bike and speed and so forth (I think this is a fair estimate - tell me if I'm way off). Therefore, the expected cost of a deer impact (adjusted for probability) is $100. Now, we can't expect a deer whistle to save you from every deer impact (though the studies suggest that the whistles help a lot), but from this exercise in accounting we can see that a deer whistle only has to be 10% effective for it to be worth the cost - that's a conservative estimate. That's a pretty good deal and it deserves more than to be chuffed at as "magic thinking".

    As I said before - if it only saves you once, however improbable that circumstance, it pays for itself a hundred times over. And if it never saves you, you're only out $10. That's 1/60th the typical cost of ABS on a new bike and a fraction of the cost of probably any piece of gear you wear. Worth it? Duh.

    OP - sorry about the threadjack - I feel that this is a topic worth discussing and it's related to your crash.
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  16. jfman

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    http://www.usroads.com/journals/rmj/9705/rm970503.htm

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  17. TexaNate

    TexaNate Been here awhile

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    That's not a study - that's an outdated (1997) article that references a couple of studies. A study has data, analysis, results, conclusions, etc. Without data, it's he-said-she-said. The University of Wisconsin study that it references has been removed from publicly available archives as far as I can tell.

    This article also claims that "no published research verifies the device's effectiveness" - that may have been true in 1997, but see my previous post for 2 (slightly) more recent studies that establish the whistles' effectiveness.
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  18. baloneyskin daddy

    baloneyskin daddy bikaholic

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    Motorcycle Consumer News did a study and found them to be of no advantage. I can't believe the crash Nazis on this site haven't bombarded you with 101 reasons why you crashed and how every accident is avoidable.:lol3
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  19. DougFromKentucky

    DougFromKentucky Just a good 'ole boy

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    I read the County of Modoc report and frankly I was surprised with the results of the study. I am reconsidering my thoughts on deer whistles.

    As to the study done by the National Park Service in the 90's, I did not conduct the study nor did I see the study myself. I was an employee at Mammoth Cave National Park when a memo was circulated for us to remove all deep whistles from the NPS vehicles. At the next supervisors meeting (I was the Health Services Supervisor for the park) I asked why and was told by the Park Superintendent of the study. I accepted that the Park Superintendent wouldn't have lied to us about a study. I am sorry that I don't have more information.

    After reading the County of Modoc, I do apologise for the "magic thinking" comment I made. I see that the jury is still out on whether they work. The results from the County of Modoc study and the other study you cite show that some of them do work. I will do more research on which were the effective ones (the Model 8 and 9) from the Business Research Group from Iowa as what I saw did not identify them. It seems that you have done some digging on your own, do you know which whistles are effective?
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  20. RealOldDualSportGuy

    RealOldDualSportGuy Been here awhile

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    Glad you are okay.

    We have had a couple of deer-misses on the Uly at night, but the strangest hit was a hawk that was swooping down on the side of the road to get a rabbit exactly at the same time the Uly and I were passing the rabbit.

    Took the Red Tailed Hawk right in the chest. Kept the Uly upright. Time I got stopped the Hawk was setting on the berm of the road shaking its head and acting kinda dazed.

    Before I could get off the bike and get back to wrap him in my jacket, he flew up into the closest tree and set there for about 30 minutes. Eventually flying away.

    My ribs and chest were sore fro two weeks, but no harm no foul!

    Be safe. we are riding in their world.

    Back to the deer story!

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