Struggling with 1190R Air Filter Options?

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  1. Tonk

    Tonk Broken Adventurer

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    I just picked up a 16' 1190R and am struggling with all the air filter options available. I've searched the forums and read everything I can find (even watched youtube videos) to improve the air filter. Each strategy I read about seems better than the one before it and I don't know which way to go. I'm leaning towards the Rotweiller kit now, but what stage is necessary and is it worth the extra $$ compared to other options? I currently ride mostly street with the 1190 (DR650 for trails) but plan more offroad use once I get this figured out.
    Any advice or experiences are appreciated, Thanks!!!
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  2. 2Wheelfury

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    I just went with the factory upgrade and havent had any problems but others have. Rottweiler is popular. I think they had a minor issue that was worked out. My only concern is dumping the bike in a low creek. It doesn't take deep water to flood your intake. The pod style filters work well and allow you to retain the airbox. Cheaper too.

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  3. GCecchetto

    GCecchetto Long timer

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    Powercell PODs all the way. You can add his pre-filters too to extend main filter service intervals even farther.
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  4. Wodger63

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    Opinions are like A$$holes, everybody has one.
    Plenty of information here on the forum to make your own decision.
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  5. Aframe01

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    I have the Rottweiler setup on my S model and love it. I use the crap out of the prefilters also.

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  6. SteadyStare

    SteadyStare Adventurer wannabe

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    I'm a fan of my power cell pods. The air box gets to stay stock, and it eliminated any possibility of something going down the engine. In the end it's just someone's opinion. Power cell pods and Rottweiler are the only two I would even consider though.
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  7. GCecchetto

    GCecchetto Long timer

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    Aren't you the touchy one! The OP posts saying he's confused and asks for advice, so when people give it, this is your response?
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  8. Tonk

    Tonk Broken Adventurer

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    Great info! Thanks. Think I'll go with the Power Cell and some prefilters. Seems like the Rottweiler system aims towards more power and more aggressive sound.
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  9. Wodger63

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    Not particularly.
    The OP asks for advice but all your going to get on a forum is opinions.
    Like I said, plenty of information already documented here.
    No need to rehash the same ole shit over and over when there is a search button and a plethora of people have already voiced their opinions and experience.
    Might as well start an oil thread and ask advice.
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  10. Tonk

    Tonk Broken Adventurer

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    To those that responded, I greatly appreciate it.

    I did use the search function, and as I said, read everything I could find. Info is spread out over various years, there are many options, and opinions are good advice to me.

    The title was self explanatory and I never understand why those that complain about the search function and "oil" threads even read threads that have been rehashed over and over. I guess some just can't resist:)

    Thanks again, you guys helped me finalize my decision and I look forward to learning more about this impressive bike. I do have some questions about fuel pumps and fuel filters but I haven't done my "search" yet.
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  11. jttele

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    I initially went with the Rotti filter, but didn't like the intake noise as well as the filter oil all over the underside of the tank. Wound up switching to the Powercell filters and have been very pleased with them. Powercells supposedly are about the same or a bit less flow than stock, but I couldn't tell a difference, and I mean who needs more power than the bike has stock anyway??? Not me at least! With about 5K miles of mixed riding on them the intakes are spotless when I just recently checked them.
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  12. cantle

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    I know how it can be researching the best option for something, and getting a little bit of paralysis by analysis....so let me help:

    Go to the Powercell website, order the pod filter kit, install it, and be happy. End of story.

    If you like tinkering and want a little more space under the seat, get the SAS delete. Good product, good support, and great protection for your engine. :)
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  13. jengel451

    jengel451 1 Cool MotherF#$cker

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    Rottweiler is by far the best option for a replacement of the OEM garbage that KTM installed. Not to mention the support that Rottweiler provides their customers are second to none with no BS. the pod filter is a band-aid using the existing crap, the Rott systesm makes no apologies about doing away completely with a bad design and replaces it with something that works, full stop. I've run in some insane silt for miles and zero gets past it. Not to mention the added benefit of getting that air under the tank moving and keeping the fuel cooler. Using the stock airbox keeps you heat soaking the tank.

    They both work, but one just a bit better with other benefits.
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  14. Tonk

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    It's good to hear the general consensus brings the choices down to 2 great systems. I think i'm still leaning towards the PowerCell for a couple reasons, let me know if my thoughts are accurate.

    The PowerCell seems like an easier install, keeps the noise levels more in check and since it keeps the stock airbox, it may resist deep water better (or in my case, a fall in the stream as I flounder to pick it up).

    The Rottweiler system will add power and noise (not that I need more of either), take a little more to install and reduce seat temps.

    Both options are pricy but in the end its a small price to pay.
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    I've had both the PowerCell and the Rottweiler, both great systems. Like it has been said the PowerCell is quieter and probably better in deep water, and for sure way easier to install. I now have the Rottweiler because I'm chasing more power:-) but for sure either are way better at keeping dust out than the stock air box.
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  16. KTM 1190advR

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    I'd vote for Rotti! The increased power is noticeable...:evil Also, I don't understand this crying about excessive noise from the intakes:dunno
    When passing 5-6000 rpm it grunts a bit. So what? It's a toy for adults, and If it's that bad, well, get yourselves some electric "vehicle"...
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  17. GCecchetto

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    For me, I don't want any more noise, may not be an issue on a Saturday ride, but crossing the 400 mile in the saddle mark in a day on a trip where you'll be in the saddle every day for a month is a different story, to me anyway.
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  18. gt4point6

    gt4point6 Hell ya, lets go.

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    Tonk

    I have the same two bikes, had the same questions when I picked up my 1190 S six months ago. I tried the DNA for 4k street miles, still had dirt in the airbox since the lid doesn't seal between the fasteners. You can see this when you tighten down one fastener, the gap between doesn't close down. Decided the cost of a good kit (PC or Rott) is worth not sucking dirt down the motor.
    Went with the Rott, couldn't be happier. You won't notice the sound unless you get on it. Hasn't bothered me as it's the same loudness while cruising as with stock air box.

    My only problem for me with the PC is that the stacks are so much shorter than the stock velocity stacks. The PC complete pods are tall but most of that is filter. Engineers design intake runner lengths and stack heights to work with the engine's power band. If the PC stacks are that short, like shorter intake runners, power comes in higher and a loss of velocity is possible at low/mid range speeds where most of us need it most. If velocity stack height didn't make a difference, everyone would take them out completely. You do have to cut the rear stack or get the shorter one from Rott, but it's still a lot taller the the PC stacks, which are really just adapters to hold the filters.

    Just my $0.02, YMMV
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  19. windblown101

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    It's all boils down to personal preference. I run a UNI-filter and lid gasket with the stock airbox on my '16. I didn't need more performance, didn't need or want more intake noise, didn't need more protection than the UNI filter offered, and spent my money on other things for the bike that had a higher priority to me. Roughly 11,000 miles with lots of off-pavement riding occasionally riding behind others in dusty conditions. Took the picture below last week. No regrets.

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  20. manxkipper

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    I don't understand the noise issue with the Rott system. One should be using decent earplugs when riding a bike otherwise deafness is in your future. Earplugs in and I certainly can't discern a noticeable increase in noise level.
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