Stuff to irk you.

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Taelan28, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. McJamie

    McJamie STROMINATOR

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    I am by no means a cruiser guy, but there are lots places where a Harley would make WAY more sense than a Ducati. The U.S has plenty of places like that, Canada too.
    A number of my instructor friends ride Harleys that seem to go, turn and stop just fine. They would probably have your new Ducati friend scratching his head, looking at his bike trying to figure out which one of spark plug wires just came off.
    I have found veery, very few people who spout off about how superior a bike or brand is, can actually back it up when the rubber hits the road.
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  2. ka5ysy

    ka5ysy Doug

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    Duc's are nice. Kind of like a high-maintenance girlfriend. Fun, but very, very expensive to maintain, and you probably don't want to marry one. :D
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  3. ssmschulz

    ssmschulz Sherpa Rider

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    I had a sales guy at my local bike shop tell me. "buying a motorcycle is an emotional purchase, rational has nothing to do with it, buy what gets you going.". Let's just say he gets all my business.
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  4. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Long timer

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    good advice!
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  5. Taelan28

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    The real sales guy who he referred me to to show me the bikes was more down to earth. His english was non existent but if i asked him a straight question he would answer plainly. Asians are very superficial and seem to be bigger status mongers than the rest of humanity. The original guy i was taliing to probably got that way as a means of selling bikes to korean people who wanted flash and status. I want flash and status too but i proritize it behind safety and economics.

    Paying for anything expensive is an emotional experience. I did hours and hours of research before i bought am Nex 5n camera and i couldnt be happier. I did weeks of research on waterskis and water skiing locations in korea before i sink 3000 into it fpr the summer. Wish i had the money back but if i didnt do it my summer would have been boring.
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  6. sargev55

    sargev55 Been here awhile

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    there are a lot of american companies that care about technology.

    except, and fortunately,

    the majority of the motorcycle crowd (in the US, and worldwide,) does not, and probably will not ever give a real crap about electric bikes.

    cause, you know, us motorcycle/automotive/gearheads...we tend to like stuff like pushrods, desmo-dromic valvetrains, pistons, flat plane and cross plane cranks, gasoline, exhaust sounds, shifting, etc.
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  7. scrannel

    scrannel Scrannel

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    Well... I was going to say this right from the start but didn't want to be accused of being a racist asshole. About half my friends are Koreans and they joke about this super-posing all the time. Sometimes when we sit down to dinner one or two will get into a mock argument about who knows more about everything on (and off) the menu. Actually, I think Koreans are very Italian in their sensibilities. Which is to say, very artistic. Korean cinema is among the best in the world. I can't wait for them to start making motorcycles.
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  8. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Long timer

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    well I have said it before and I will say it again - it seems to me the more you know about motorcycles, the less likely you are to ride a Harley. I am throwing a bit of mud on myself by saying that, as I am now riding a metric cruiser, or as some would call it, a "Harley wanna be".

    I have several friends who ride Harleys, we all met the other night. We were talking about taking a road trip this coming June. Two of them came to me later to talk privately, because they have less than 2 yrs experience and have never been on a long ride. They were concerned about what they would need to be prepared for. We were outside, and I was wearing my Mobile Warming vest. One of the ladies asked me if I was cold "just wearing a vest". I told her it was a heated vest. She obviously had no idea what I was talking about...
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  9. DAKEZ

    DAKEZ Long timer

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    The more you know about Harley-Davidsons the more likey you are to own one.

    Let the dead dog lie. 25 year old jokes are :snore
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  10. zataomm

    zataomm Been here awhile

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    Thank you for this irrefutable evidence that Harley owners don't actually know anything about motorcycles.

    I've been riding for about 40 years and have owned at least one of every Japanese brand (3 Yamahas, 3 Hondas, 1 Kawasaki and 1 Suzuki), several Triumphs (8), two BMWs and now have my first Harley, an XL1200R. I think I know a little bit about motorcycles. I got the Sportster because A.) I'd never owned a Harley and wanted to see if the modern ones are as good as everyone has been saying they are and B.) I wanted a bike with lots of local support and easy to get parts. So far the Harley has been by far the most trouble-free bike I have ever owned and a lot of fun to ride. It's a modern vintage classic.

    The fact that you can find idiots on any brand of motorcycle proves nothing.
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  11. ka5ysy

    ka5ysy Doug

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    amen !
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  12. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    ZING!

    Or a sportbike engine that isn't failing main bearings. Or chrome flaking off rockers. Or popping voltage regulators. You know, like these are all 'scientifically designed and new technology'.

    Then again, BMW has their fair share of issues, as do any OEM. It's been posted that you need to do your research before tolerating a dealer like the OP has. Know what you're getting into, and know the possible mods and upgrades which may be needed.

    On the riders themselves, to be honest we all have to admit there's a weird and interesting divisiveness between US/European/sportbike/cruiser crowds. What I think we all agree upon is the uneducated, blindly stereotypical nature of some riders. Squids are just as much a pain in the ass with an open I4 header as Harley riding pirates sometimes. BMW riders and their astronaut / conspicuity suits populating Starbuck$. Dual sport guys looking to jump a fence when they get a chance. Chopped cafe bikes and the hipster 50s groove. Nothing wrong with the 'look' of any of them but some also draw unnecessary attention because of their actions. Comes back to common consideration for everyone.
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  13. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    The basic problem (yes, it is a serious problem) is that Ducati and a few other manufacturers decided that a plastic paintable fuel tank would be a good idea. The polymer which was chosen by the supplier (Acerbis) is PA6, and is 'raw' on the inside meaning that there is no internal coating. In nearly every sales market, liquid gasoline fuels have had ethanol as part of their content for over 15 years. The problem with the PA6 as a fuel tank material is that ethanol absorbs humidity (water) which is then heavier than gasoline and drops to the bottom of the tank (does not evaporate out as it would if it were on top). The water is then ABSORBED into the PA6 and the tank proceeds to expand.

    Keep in mind that Ducati, and its supplier Acerbis had been making gas tanks for every global market and should have been fully knowledgable about gasoline content in these respective markets. Due diligence and proper certification would have brought the concern to light during any general R&D process.

    The tank deformation affected 50,000 US Ducati motorcycles including Sport Classics, 848s, the entire S2R and S4R Monster line, Streetfighters, to name an incomplete list. The tanks could leak out the back near the fuel pump assembly onto the top of the engine. The tanks could also deform and raise the tank off the frame which was designed to support the tank. There was never an NHTSA recall formally issued despite this being a fuel related (and safety) concern.

    Ducati chose to indirectly deal with the problem, relying on word of mouth and internet 'awareness'. The affected tanks were replaced through a dealer reviewing them, a local rep approving the replacement and generally all being quiet. The replacements were also manufactured of PA6, the same material as the deforming tanks. Some customers have had to get their tanks replaced 2 or 3 times.

    There was a formal lawsuit brought against Ducati NA, where the settlement was to replace tanks if deemed necessary, as well as modifications to the bike. These included limiting steering angle (increasing steering stops), adding a bracket to the tank itself (which would be visible), supplying an alternate seat (shorter if the tank was growing lengthwise) etc. In other words, Ducati was attending to the situation by changing everything BUT the gas tank and the faulty polymer.

    Many owners of these Ducatis have been extremely soured by the situation. Even enthusiasts and long time Duc owners ask WTF.

    To be fair, KTM, Triumph and Harley Davidson all had similar problems due to PA6 paintable fuel tanksmade by Acerbis (the supplier for all of these). I believe at this point, Acerbis is no longer.

    So, how's that for 'European engineering prowess'?
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  14. kraven

    kraven Hegelian Scum

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    About par for the course.

    Every eurobike enthusiast has a litany of excuses or sidestepping "hey, is that Sasquatch?" responses to these problems.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i11hLPi_ky0
    The general population of motorcyclists find this kind of failing intolerable at the price point and difficulty often presented in parts sourcing.

    But if you pick a machine that's built by a reputable company, you bear accusation of having a "soulless" machine. :lol3

    "but, but, but... tradition... blahblahblah..."

    Meanwhile Honda and Kawi and Suzuki and Yamaha have continue to hang in there and build legendary machines without weird tech and problems. Back in the early 90's when I got into wsbk and owned a Ducati 900 (that I loved like a great pair of c-cups), it was a real head scratcher that Kawasaki could pwn Ducati's proprietary technology with simpler and more efficient to produce machines. Some things never change. I know it's a Ford vs Ferrari thing. But, I have little patience for excuses manufacturers give about recurring problems across decades and various models.
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  15. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    I agree wholeheartedly. Ducati's been especially guilty of this in recent years. Offer a V twin that doesn't have adequate fueling below 4000 rpm? Are you serious, Ducati? On a 20k bike? Have ballooning tanks from a bad material spec then disown your involvement? It's not like you can just run out and get a replacement Al or metal tank from Tucker Rocky. The Panigale from what I see has a few teething pains as well. But as you noted, 'it's Italian! It's the quirks you put up with for exclusivity!'

    All OEMS have issues, I'm just picking on Ducatis as I'm more familiar with them.
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  16. Taelan28

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    WTF I thought that was just a plastic shell. At least that explains why my gas tank was rusty and needed a new carburator. A new tank on my POS bike was $350 and I was like HELL NO! just change the carburator and give me a filter. A new tank on a Ducati I dont even want to know.

    Is that what fuel stabilizer is for? To prevent water from collecting on the bottom of the tank?

    Since the motorcycling market seems to be hardcore and enthusiast driven I would assume that flawed designs and inefficiencies would be scrubbed from the market quickly thus giving me a good buy no matter what. Sure Monsters are still selling so they must not be complete pos machines, but hearing something like this about the gas tank is pretty pathetic. After over a century of combustion engine technology should it be difficult to make a no compromising engine that doesn't break down and have minimal maintenance?

    American born Korean and actual Koreans are worlds apart. You cant even compare.
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