Super Enduro Numbers....Mystery Solved

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  1. pfdskipper

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    Super Enduro Numbers....Mystery Solved
    <HR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #575757; COLOR: #575757" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title -->Just how many Super Enduros were manufactured? There has been lots of conjecture in the forum over the past years with many different numbers proclaimed to be the actual tally.
    I had unsuccessfully written KTM-NA, no reply. I then applied for press credentials and sent an inquiry to Austria concerning the SE numbers.

    This is what I just received from Mattighofen:

    Dear Mr Ince!

    Great to hear that the bike has still so many fans!

    Fortunately 500 unit´s produced is not correct, overall we have built and sold around three thousand Super Enduro´s worldwide.

    Hope this information helps.



    Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards

    Customer Service

    KTM-SPORTMOTORCYCLE AG
    Betriebsgebiet Süd
    Stallhofnerstraße 3
    5230 Mattighofen, Austria
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    So there you go, surprising in a way. I had never heard anywhere near that number of SE's amongst the guesses I had seen.

    :1drink

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    Actually, I remember this number, I have seen it before and I'm sure, in this forum. What I have never ever seen before, is an actual answer from Matinghofen, this is a first! :clap
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    I believe you but that number is way more than any other guestimates I can recall seeing.

    I had written off receiving a reply from KTM as it had been a couple of weeks since my inquiry. A pleasent surprise for sure.

    Now I really would be shocked to get a reply to my follow up question about the chances for a rebirth of the SE. :ear
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    Yes, it was a guess...but expecting another answer....now you're pushing it!
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    I feel more special now I know I am a member of the exclusive 3.000 owners club. :lol3
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    So I like to push the limits...well I ride a Super Enduro, so no worries.

    Risk versus gain equation worked for me. I do believe that the next reply may be a predicted long time in coming.
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  7. ToddLite

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    3,000 seems like a reasonable production run. Well done on getting a response! :clap
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    I went to the KTM dirt demo day last year and talked to someone from KTM about the SE. I don't recall his exact title, but he was directly involved with KTM's marketing and sales. I asked about bringing back the SE or putting out a new version with EFI. He said it wasn't something they would consider for a couple of reasons. The sales of the SE were too low and slow. And people really weren't riding them as they were intended. They were never intended as a long range touring bike, but that's what a lot of people want to turn them into. Most people (because of opportunity or ability?) aren't riding them as a big dirtbike, like they were intended.
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    Yes guilty as charged, big tank, small screen, new seat .... point and shoot. :clap

    They make a great touring bike given they are designed to be hammered so for us I am hoping that will give longevity .
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    Good news to know the numbers are still so low...a collectors and die hard old school bike of choice.

    The SE make no sense, then you ride one.
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    Guilty... thanks for the info....I was told about 600 in Europe by someone....

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520257
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    Good to know. Now do you think you shoot off something to Husqvarna and try and find out how many TE610's were made for the 06'-09' range or 08'and 09'. Another one of those things that I've never seen a solid number for.
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    As good an explanation as any I've seen :clap
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    You can lead a horse to water, But you can't make em Pee.

    Interesting logic , based on real world observations that seem accurate. But thats no fun. Why should KTM give a shit as to how the owners use the bike? If the bike is in demand, sell the people what they want.
    I would hope to hear back from KTM that the next version will be out soon, 40 pounds lighter and running 800 cc's. with the same HP.

    Not a shot, but if they did have such an animal; Maybe introduce the new SE with a marketing plan that would reach out to the demographic capable of producing the sale numbers needed for KTM to get what they need out of the deal. Their publicity efforts when the initial SE came to be were mostly non-existant as I recall. I cant believe that the bike, if re-introduced in a lighter version, and properly displayed to the masses would not be a smashing success for KTM. Ya ya, I know. Aint happening.
    ....I'll be keeping mine around for a long while.
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    How about 100lbs lighter with almost 70% of the power? :evil

    That's a 690 Enduro R.
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    That guy pushes a pen and doesn't ride bikes. How often do car manufacturers produce a car people really want to buy in mass....

    Its all about marketing, no soul.
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  17. SE Steve

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    The SE came out at the wrong time. The US economy started to tank at the end of 2008. I bought my SE new on the dealer floor I want to say in 2010. It was sold to me as a 2009 but the tag says 2008. There was what a 2 year run of these bikes.
    Talked to someone from KTM at the steamboat springs rally he said the 3 biggest markets for the SE were US, Germany, and South Africa.
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    That's the issue-- the bike wasn't in (enough) demand. It took, what, 4 years to sell 3,000 bikes. I'm assuming they were all sold, but wouldn't be surprised if brand new ones were around.


    "people really weren't riding them as they were intended" sounds like BS disguised as a convenient reason for a marginally successful (but for sure worthy and glad they took the chance) product that shifts the focus from the manufacturer to the customer.
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    Wrong logic :lol3-- the SE came out in 2006 (July 2006 in my state) during the boom, and should have enjoyed at least another 12-18 months of favorable economics.
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    The Super Enduro may have been created as a lighter version of the Adventure with the intention of being the next Dakar crusher. And KTM may have been intending on promoting the Super Enduro after winning the next Dakar... using the Rally winning press to send it off to sell record numbers. And who knows if Meoni was behind the SE's early evolution with the intention of being it's Dakar test pilot.

    But the deaths of Meoni, Sainct and other Dakar riders caused the ASO to rethink the Dakar, lowering the displacement of The Race... and possibly pulling the rug out for which the purpose of the SE was built for.

    I'm sure all bike manufacturers have dreams that race clubs will pop up designing race circuits around their products. And KTM probably had high hopes that big bike enduro races would pop up all over the world supporting big twin ownership. But the heat of a big competitive dirtbike craze KTM hoped for simply disappated ( not coincidentally around the time the Dakar went small). And KTM was pretty much stuck holding a 3,000 unit bag of suddenly antiquated SE's.

    I didn't see much promotion of the SE before it's US release... but back then KTM didn't promote much of their products.

    And with no big twin moto club races popping up, the SE became an Adventure bike afterthought, hiding in US dealer showrooms behind the better suited Adventure 990's (as it's purpose built adventure tourer).

    I always loved the design of the SE, and was amazed to see them sitting for years collecting dust in my local dealer's showroom. But I had already taken on the task of owning and tricking out my '04 950 and didn't want to bail on it's evolution mid stream. If I had a choice at the beginning... if the SE would have been released in '04... that bike would have been my first choice.

    And what both KTM Adventure and SE owners discovered soon after ownership was their fantastic pavement prowess and versatility. These bikes are super fun all around bikes. They can be easily customized in a variety of ways... from Rally faired to SuMo wheeled. KTM jumped on this phenomenon by diversifying into the SMR and SMT... so the SE lived on in some form or another.

    I doubt KTM will ever re-release the Super Enduro. The SE is a one of a kind bike, built for immortals who are willing to ride over any terrain, those possessing brute strength to handle brute force. Unfortunately, the factory test pilots of that era have all moved on in one way or another.

    And as KTM is a race inspired company, we shouldn't expect too much outside of their normal comfort levels.

    The pursuit of the 1190 market is a far stretch for KTM as it is... and will keep them fairly focused for a long while.

    I think we'd all like to see a lighter variation of the SE (and Adventure)... but some of us have been holding our breath for a long time on that one.

    Let's not all suffocate at once here.
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