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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by JPDenny, Oct 3, 2017.
Buy a Gen 1 cheap & modify or get the Gen 2?
Same boat. I'm sold on a 2012/2013. You can buy them with low miles and farkled pretty well for $7k all day. 2014s are still around $10k. I'll keep the $3k for fuel.
I might be interested in one but have seen weird engine reports regarding to failures. Just started looking into it so not sure if it was just a few or early production issues.
Gen I + ECU flash = Gen II - cruise control
If I could land a flashed Gen I with luggage on the cheap, it'd beat out a Gen II stock for sure.
I’m thinking a Gen 1, replace clutch basket if necessary, ECU Flash, Mccruise, & heated grips.
Gen 1 are so cheap these days. G1 and an ECU flash will still be less expensive than a G2.
There really wasn't much wrong with the Gen 1 but Yamaha did make a bunch of changes to Gen2. The most important being an improved cam chain tensioner, reshaped exhaust ports, forged pistons, revised header pipes, improved clutch basket, slightly smoother running ECU. Then there were a bunch of superficial changes like improved (different) instrumentation, and cruise control and an aluminum sidestand. I have a gen2 and my son has a gen 1, we switch back and forth sometimes when we ride together and I honestly do not notice a whole lot of difference. I actually prefer his analog tach but do notice that mine is much smoother on and off throttle, which a re-flash would probably cure. When I got mine it was a leftover '14, my dealer also had a left over '13 at the time. I got mine for a grand more than the Gen 1 and don't regret it.
If you like to work on bikes and do simple mods then the Gen 1 would be a good choice if you don’t want / need cruise control. I have a Gen 1 and completed all the changes at low cost and it’s a fantastic bike. Sometimes I wish it had cruise but its not enough draw to make a change. But if I was going to buy again I would pay the extra money and get a gen 2 and be done with it. Just farkle and ride.
Not sure what engine “failures” are suggested but it is not the norm and nothing to worry about with a Gen 1 or 2.
Clutch basket is just to reduce vibes, I believe, so up to you to replace or not. On a Gen1, I would absolutely replace/upgrade the CCT if not already done so, though.
To me, Gen1 vs Gen2 really comes down to whether or not you decide you "need" cruise. Though as you noted, MCCruise does make a kit for the Gen1, but it's not exactly cheap (nor is it nice and integrated). I myself had already decided long past that if I bought another bike for touring, it would have cruise, so for me personally it was Gen2 or nothing.
Yeah, the only real failures I'm aware of are the few failed CCTs on Gen1s. Addressed with the Gen2 and parts are easily available to be swapped in.
Same beautiful machine. The gen 2 is a little (very little) less “agricultural” which is what I love about s10’s - carisma and character! If you want better electronics and cruise control you have to buy a gen2. I rode both (gen1 red flash) and it the same bike in almost every way. If it was me I would buy a gen 2 just because it’s in fact a gen 1 with all the small issues sorted out. You want need anything else but to have a place to go to and to find a long way the get there!
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The very few failures were the CCT. And most were on bikes with 60K+ miles. Who knows how many, but maybe 10-20 that is known? Yamaha has been replacing the CCT under warranty if it even sounds like it may fail. Most, like I did, just put the Gen2 CCT in my Gen1, which is a straight swap. Others have put in a manual CCT. Understand that some have complained on problems with the swap. But when you let the chain slip a notch or two, you will have some issue's. Isn't Yammi's fault.
Some people have had the "hard starting" problem. Not sure the whole issue, some say the wiring harness, some just simple flooding, others are a mystery. But taking a look at how many have the problem, it is a rare issue. Numerous times I have started mine, shut it down after moving it (30 seconds), and go back and no problem starting it a minute or two later. Just, like any bike, you have to watch out for flooding it.
The biggest "issue" with this bike is you really have to keep an eye on the spokes. Some seat right away, some don't. Check first number of miles, then oil changes, and you should not have a problem.
I went through this decision process and decided on a used second generation ST.
I tend to keep bikes for a while and felt that in the long run, the extra money spent would even out over time.
I also really wanted the cruise control. After using it, I would have a hard time ever going back to a throttle lock.
One reason to maybe go with an older bike is the insurance might be a bit less expensive.
How can one distinguish between Gen 1 and Gen 2?
Is the instrument panel and body different? What else?
If you really wants the cruise control, this company made it...
I just bought a 2012. Love it so far. Only 400 miles on since last week but love everything about it so far. It has some of the goodies but I'm sure I'll think of more!!
This may be a dumb question, I do have pretty good mechanical aptitude but I am not real familiar with newer electronics...How does one know if the ecu has been flashed? I think it is quite smooth at low speeds / slow maneuvering. Is there a sure way to know? I do not have access to the previous owner.
Thanks in advance!
Yes, but at a cost of ~$865 US dollars. That makes the Gen Two that much more affordable.
Gen Two came with an adjustable (barely) windscreen, different handlebar controls and different colors.
(FWIW, I am not a big fan of the Gen Two instrument panel. While it is nice to get the additional information, I find it hard to read in many lighting situations.)
No one has mentioned that the electronic suspension (ES) is only available on the 2nd gen models. The ES models include heated grips as standard too, but these can be retrofitted to the 2nd gen non-ES models, though perhaps at some expense.
Love my 2013. The thing about the newer models I don't care for are the full digital gauges and the electronic suspension. I am a set it and forget it guy on suspensions (if I can find a setting that works for me). Electronic suspension means more weight and more failure points to me. The cruise control would be nice on the few very long days, but in general I find that a kaoko lock does the trick when I need it to. I wish that yamaha would've stuck with their original gauge cluster design on the newer models as it is easier to read to my eyes and looks tougher (to me). Overall, there are improvements on newer models, but it's mainly evolutional and either way they are still one of the best bikes out there. Also a plus is no stupid beak. A gen 1 with plans to do the CCT and maybe the clutch basket (if it bothers you - mine's ok) is my recommendation.
Anyone care to comment on the ECU Reflash question
"mshnhed"asked above? I'm shopping and am curious about that also. If I were the tech who reflashed it, I would tag the unit in some way.
Also, does a Reflash void the warranty on It? Thanks, G