Super Tenere owners... Why do you wish you bought an R1200gs?

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by sky44, May 19, 2017.

  1. sky44

    sky44 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2009
    Oddometer:
    208
    Location:
    CO
    apologies for the inflammatory title.

    Talk me out of this bike. They're 7500 bucks used all day, and nobody seems to be breaking them. It's a little porky, but all the big twins are.
    I rode one. it was good. I like the engine a lot. It reminds me of an angrier version of my SV650's engine.
    #1
    OneWheelLess and Dan Lorenze like this.
  2. glenn2926

    glenn2926 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2011
    Oddometer:
    143
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    I think you've about got it.
    #2
    Pcfly likes this.
  3. jaxcalgary

    jaxcalgary Adventurer

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Oddometer:
    29
    Location:
    Cochrane Alberta
    Quite happy with the S10 but I don't know any different. I imagine others are better at some things? But this is pretty good at everything, and I love the low maintenance/low breakdown rate of the S10.
    #3
  4. vt wingman

    vt wingman Adventurer

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2012
    Oddometer:
    55
    I don't!
    #4
  5. steve68steve

    steve68steve Long timer

    Joined:
    May 26, 2009
    Oddometer:
    1,648
    Location:
    Central FL
    They have a hardcore following and tons of aftermarket support. Valve clearance checks are easy. The horizontal engine keeps it from falling far over too far. The older air/oil cooled bikes didn't have a cooling system to worry about. It's easier to pull the back wheel off. It's lighter and faster. It has more electronical doodads. ABS is switchable. The wind protection is better. It has German ergos. It maintains its resale value.

    If you roll up on a dirty, beat-up BMW, you have instant ADV credibility. ;)
    Altho, seriously: I've been to any number of rallies and dealerships on a KLR, a genI Vstrom, a gen II Wee Strom. No one notices you.
    When I first rolled in on an S10, people assume I'm a serious rider and have lots of questions about the bike. When I roll in dirty, people assume I'm an amazing ADV rider because I'm riding a huge bike offroad. If I was on a BMW, they'd think I was wealthy, too, and want to be my friend.
    #5
    docdan1au, beemerphile, Don T and 9 others like this.
  6. Bikedude987

    Bikedude987 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2011
    Oddometer:
    247
    Just rode a new 1090 last weekend and I can say this compared to my 2012 Tenere:

    Tenere was more comfortable, smoother, better suspension (NOT stock, I've spent some $$$ here, but oh, so worth it), WAY cheaper, probably more reliable. GOBS of deep down, stump pulling torque. Shaft drive and LONG maintenance intervals.

    KTM: MUCH better in sand/rocks, motor had slightly more punch (not tremendous difference though) and an intoxication growl at full song. Significant LACK of torque down low in the revs, had to be careful not to stall when taking off. Chain drive, so gearing options, but obnoxious and dirty to maintain. Shorter more $$ service intervals.

    Buy the tenere, spend some $$ on the suspension (if you care) and IMMEDIATELY buy a tall or extra tall CalSci windscreen!
    #6
    stromsavard likes this.
  7. hogmolly

    hogmolly Dude

    Joined:
    May 28, 2003
    Oddometer:
    3,235
    Location:
    McKinney, TX and San Jose, CA
    No idea what your question is. I've owned two airheads, two oil heads, and a hex head. Now a Super T. The the hex head was indeed lighter but for all the wrong reasons.
    #7
  8. Maggot12

    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2010
    Oddometer:
    13,125
    Location:
    Canada's ocean playground
    Dumbest question I've read here in a while. For someone to be in this market if they wish for a different bike, then get a different bike.

    There's no talking you into or out of it. Buy whatever you want.

    Think of it this way... when you park the bike in the garage or your campsite after a nice days ride, what bike do you want to see the first thing the next morning.
    #8
    Karpaasi, drbuzzard, Don T and 3 others like this.
  9. Vrode

    Vrode Flagrant Violator

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2014
    Oddometer:
    1,546
    Location:
    Vermont
    You rode one. You liked it. The prices are right.

    But if you're worried it's not a BMW, well..........you got issues.
    #9
    Argus16, Pcfly and Hoak like this.
  10. bumpedmyhead

    bumpedmyhead Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2017
    Oddometer:
    113
    I liked the GS, I liked the Tenere, I bought a TEX....
    #10
  11. Dan Lorenze

    Dan Lorenze Adventurer

    Joined:
    May 26, 2005
    Oddometer:
    67
    It's a legit question/situation.. KTM's and BMW's are almost double the price of the Tenere and thousands less than the AT on the used market.
    #11
  12. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff.

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2008
    Oddometer:
    4,871
    Location:
    Damascus, MD
    I can buy anything I want and simply prefer the Tenere, so the question is false.

    In the big shaft ADV bikes, it's either BMW, Tenere, Stelvio, or Tex, and maybe the VFR-X.
    This is my second Tenere and it's all-day comfortable for long distance, it can idle off-road & up slopes of loose rock slower than I can walk and easier than the others, and I tow a camper with no issues. Plus, it's a Yamaha.
    [​IMG]
    #12
    twinrider, NGA, Blue Mule and 8 others like this.
  13. Old Git Ray

    Old Git Ray Now retired...YeeHaa

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2007
    Oddometer:
    1,775
    Location:
    UK based, Bored because I am not travelling
    Me neither. I got rid of my new GSA for my S10 and I have no regrets.
    After 500 miles on my GSA, the dash said "Take me to your dealer and empty your wallet".
    The Yam has not seen the inside of a garage in 7 years and 50k miles. Nuff said.
    #13
  14. JustKip

    JustKip Long timer

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2007
    Oddometer:
    6,623
    Location:
    Fresno, CA
    Not fair! I've changed the suspension on most of the 2 dozen bikes I've owned. If you had bought the 1090, you'd change the suspension too!
    #14
  15. RED CAT

    RED CAT Bumpy Backroader

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2005
    Oddometer:
    3,757
    Location:
    Western Canada
    Went from a new 2008 GS 1200 to a 2012 S10 and then to a 2014 S10. Never ever go back to a Beamer.
    #15
  16. rd400racer

    rd400racer Long timer

    Joined:
    May 14, 2013
    Oddometer:
    1,462
    Location:
    Louisville, Ky
    I think this is a great question. My dilemma...I've got a 96 GS that's getting long in the tooth. I've been looking at 2010 Era GS'es but the practical side of me says an S10 is the smart way to go. Yet I keep hearing reports of the 10's "boring engine". For those of you that went from an 1100GS to an S10, is this a bunch of crap?
    #16
  17. Killacurb

    Killacurb Dad

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2013
    Oddometer:
    582
    Location:
    PDX
    Depends on how you define boring I guess? My buddy just picked up an 09 GSA and we traded bikes for a few miles the other day and it was a nice ride but I still preferred my S10. I am pretty biased tho, I love my Yamaha. Plus he paid the same for a used bike that was 7years old with 24k miles as I did for my new S10. Anyways, ride them both, pick the one that puts your man panties in a bunch.
    #17
  18. Hoak

    Hoak Long timer

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,572
    Location:
    Minnesota, Up Near The Arctic Circle
    Well compared to the a similarly farkled Beemo, the Super Ténéré isn't any 'porkier' in fact with the same payload, panniers etc. -- they weigh within a pound of each other. Why would you want anyone to talk you out of something?

    There are a lot of people that have owned BMW ADV machines that now own a Super Ténéré, or Stelvio and are a lot happier with these bikes than the BMW for their handling, cost of ownership and just how the bikes fit them.

    There are also BMW owners that own both, obviously have the resources for at least a small stable of motorcycles, don't mind the extra upkeep for the advantages each bike offers.

    LOL! Well said. The prices of used Super Ténérés are a steal as the bikes are tanks and for far less then the cost of buying new you can farkel and pretty them into something better than new with: exotic suspension, far better tires as the stock Dunlops are the worst in just about every regard even for a MOTR tire, pretty new plastics or even CF if anything is dinged up, better pegs, bash plate, crash bars, custom wind screen and still have money left over for a GPS, riding gear etc. before you're at price parity with a new bike.
    #18
  19. rd400racer

    rd400racer Long timer

    Joined:
    May 14, 2013
    Oddometer:
    1,462
    Location:
    Louisville, Ky
    That's the problem. My 2 local dealers don't carry the S10. They said that they don't sell. So I've got to find somebody to let me bum a five mile ride.
    #19
    JustKip likes this.
  20. Vrode

    Vrode Flagrant Violator

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2014
    Oddometer:
    1,546
    Location:
    Vermont
    And those weren't your average 50K miles either

    Only you can answer that. Different motors have different characteristics. For me, I came off an FZ1 which was exciting, fast and had oodles of power. My ST (Gen2) is bigger, heavier, much more comfortable. A reflash made a good motor, great. I'm never bored and go as fast as I want, but more comfortably.
    #20
    ACR, Cuttin, Killacurb and 1 other person like this.