Super Tenere vs Weestrom vs F800GS

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by turbojet, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. Todd-Squad

    Todd-Squad See Ya, Bye.

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    So I'm the Strom owner. In a flat out drag race, my Strom, with the Secondary Butterfly Valves removed, will walk away from the Tenere. Off-road, the Tenere is the champion. It has much more clearance, which is the main reason I don't take my Strom past gravel roads or well groomed ATV trails. In addition, the suspension on the Tenere smooths everything out. I have Gold Valves in my Strom which improved the ride over stock form, but it still isn't even close to the smooth ride off road that the Tenere has. I tested it both on washboard, ruts and rocks. Even though the bike is bigger, and heavier, it is so much easier to ride on moderately rough dirt roads.

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  2. Desert Dave

    Desert Dave Enjoying the moment

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    What if it was only a $4K difference? Or a $2K? At what point do you trade, or do you even want to trade?

    I paid about 5K more for my Tenere than I did for my strom when it was new. Knowing now how much good use I got out of my strom, I'd have paid more for it.

    Go ride one. Maybe you'll love it or not. I didn't want one until I test rode it and then I tried to talk myself out of it, because on paper it is so similar to the strom. If I didn't buy it, I'd have a fatter wallet, but I'd always WANT one. Regret is lousy, and the more I ride the Tenere the more it cements my decision. I'll never argue that bang for the buck it's better than a Strom.
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  3. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff.

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    If you modded the Strom, then the apples to apples would mod the Tenere. As mentioned, the ECU mod alone gives something like 15 more hp.

    Desert Dave's prices must be at full retail. It's not that big a difference. As for dirty Tenere pix, visit the Tenere forum, or look at some of Pluric's photos here in ADV.
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  4. GrahamD

    GrahamD Long timer

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    I think your next bike should be a postie bike. Is the Strom really $8000.00 dollars better?

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    A used one will be better value than a brand spanker. That's the way it goes, but you a still not getting the message.

    A used S10 will do off road a lot easier than a used Strom. It won't change. But buying used is always going to be better value. Don't blame anyone for that.

    This one should be fairly cheap and comes with a few mods...

    Should handle the Dempster pretty well.

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  5. Desert Dave

    Desert Dave Enjoying the moment

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    Not retail, but I was comparing a 2005 price on the Suzuki to a 2012 price on the Yamaha, so maybe a bit less of a spread as the zook has gone up, but still you get my point.
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  6. Reposado1800

    Reposado1800 Juicy J fan!

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    It looks like the S10 love has become a religion of sorts.
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    This pic here speaks volumes. Heavily loaded and smooth tires give way to a wicked swap on the Vstrom in soft slippery conditions like silt, mud etc. The bike needs knobbies just like every other bike, air properly it will plow through without a problem.
    it is interesting that someone metioned the DL1000 can beat the S10 in a drag race. Any idea WHY Yamaha power restricted gears 1-3 on the US model?
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  7. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    It's true. It was my first ride on the less than 1,000 mile Tenere. I was doubled up with my wife.
    Out on the flats we did some roll ons and Todd alone on the Strom pulled away.

    The time we each were one up he didn't want to do roll ons because he feared for the high speed
    stability of the Strom loaded.:dunno

    I've since done the ECU reflash, He has the powercommander so is it still apples to apples?

    I didn't buy a big D/S bike to win any drag races.

    I still stand behind my opinion that after owning both bikes the Tenere is superior in several areas.
    Price being one of them.:lol3
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  8. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    We all had similar tires. It really was a case of anyone could have gone down in that goo.

    As far as the first three gear restictions the vote seems to be for some sort of emission standards.???

    Why did Suzuki neuter 6th gear on the Strom?:scratch
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  9. wheatwhacker

    wheatwhacker It's raining here

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    Looking at that picture and the tires that are on the bike, it's down to two thing's to get through that goo. Tires and luck. Was the rider experienced?, was he standing on the pegs? The road it's self is not that challenging to a properly shod bike. A Harley with proper knobbies would have gone through is where my KTM with street tires would have tracked and thrown me off.
    I really want to ride with one some day. I have some awesome trails in the Mendocino forest I would love to test out the beast on. Same tires, same load and convince me to spend the asking price of $16K.
    I did consider selling the Strom and the KTM 950 for one. Would that be a smart move?
    KTM worth maybe.............. $7k,
    V strom, maybe................. $5K

    Still short $4K but have an awesome bike better than the V? better than the KTM?
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  10. BobbyLee666

    BobbyLee666 Been here awhile

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    Better is always going to be subjective based on your expectations. Is bigger always better? To some it is, to others it's not. Is it better for the bike to handle on-road better than off? Some say yes, some say no. The latest edition of Motorcyclist (June 2012) has an article on the new KTM 990 Adventure Dakar Edition ans said "If the question is what's the best ride for conducting serious business in obscure corners of Planet Earth's 57.5 million square miles of terra firma, the answer starts with KTM."

    I'll sit back now and watch the show...:lurk
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  11. GrahamD

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    I'll agree with that. But some parts of the planet are devoid of fuel stops and have masses of straight tarmac. Then fuel economy and slabability come into it. The GSA is great where I live because you often have 450Km between fuel in the less populated regions. But then you also have 450Km between mechanics. :lol3

    But the best thing about all these different bikes ATM is if you are willing to do the homework you can get closer to your personal requirements than you could two years ago once you wade through all the bullshit.

    There are lots of different compromises going on and that is all good IMHO. There is no "Best Bike." in this class.

    If I was doing a cross Australian off road tour I would be going minimilist rations and taking a 400 class thumper and avoid the slab, not the S10.

    In normal years you don't even need at tent out there.
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  12. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    No show here. A KTM is like bringing a gun to a knife fight off road. They are very impressive.
    After chasing a few I almost gave in and considered a 990 myself.

    The idea of owning a bike that I could ride the shit out of, wash (optional) and do again
    and again won over. I know the KTM is better, it's like the Tenere is better than the Strom
    off road the KTM is that much better than the Tenere. As an all rounder I'll stick with the Tenere
    because of it's street manors, roomy passenger space, shaft drive and of course it's a Yamaha.:D
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  13. Desert Dave

    Desert Dave Enjoying the moment

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    I don't think anybody is trying to sell you a bike here, it either works for you or it doesn't. There's nothing wrong with saying you just don't want one....but it sounds like you're trying really hard to convince yourself you don't want one :evil

    If you're lucky you'll hate it, that will save you a bunch of money. Trading two bikes for one is always risky, you have a pretty nice stable right there, might wish you hadn't. I bought my Tenere and three months later I realize I can let go of the Strom, my 800GS is staying put for right now.
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  14. Reposado1800

    Reposado1800 Juicy J fan!

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    The engine is too fast for the chassis. A 167 mph dl1000 sounds like a widowmaker to me.:eek1
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  15. pluric

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    It was a pretty mild neuter. I think maybe 10%? I did the Ivans electrical upgrade that removed
    the Suzuki leash. All I maybe really noticed was the overdrive light didn't work anymore.

    I liked the tall 6th gear. At my altitude it couldn't pull it that well. I often left it in 5th.

    The DL's speedo was as optimistic as my Tenere. I think by GPS it peaked at about 120ish.
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  16. His Pistolship

    His Pistolship Kp calm, shoot alfas

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    Current S10 owner here.

    I prefer my Tenere to my KLR when it comes to dirt. The Tenere is jaw droppingly good off road, and tinkering with all those TC settings is fun too. The suspension does a great job offroad. You can stand all day in the peg.

    Also, Tenere's are really tight when new, and the throttle takes a little bit of getting used too. The bike gets much faster after it breaks in, trust me. And you will get more comfortable with the throttle settings and begin to really push the bike. Close gear ratios mean nothing when you learn the bikes rythum. I can understand not feeling at home when you first get on one, but you begin to learn the bike really fast, and then it becomes a blast. Again, once you get used to the contols, you won't want to go back; they are super smooth.

    Cheap fittings? I don't know where you are getting that from. From what I have experienced so far with taking fairings off and on and doing oil changes and the like, nothing is cheap or shoddy on this bike. It was made to be taken apart and put back toghether again with ease.
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  17. Greg the pole

    Greg the pole Been here awhile

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    my $0.02

    back in 2006, I bought a brand spank 2006 DL 1000, lots of mods were done to the bike(full luggage, crash bars, skid plate, stain tune pipes etc...etc..)
    55 thou KM later, I really liked my v-strom but wished for: abs, tc, better stock suspension.

    The bike was a pain to work on (im talking getting to the air filter/valves etc.. all plastics have to come off, radiator) on a positive note, the gear driven cams were a synch to work on.

    I thought about a GS 1200 (too much money, reliability, dealer network)
    KTM 950/990 (no shaft, maint. intesive)

    I bought my tenere for $3000 more than my new v-strom cost me, and it is worth every penny.
    The bike is safer and easier to ride on gravel, thanks to the tc/abs, the suspenion is very good, and the s.drive is great.
    Maintenance is a doddle (hinged tank etc..etc..) valves are every 40,000 km.
    I recently rode a 2012 v-strom 650, and it felt tiny, and cramped. Great motor, but again not comparing apples to apples here.

    do I want my old v-strom back.. NO.

    again, as the other sup T owners asked...where do you get the cheap fittings comment from??:huh The bike is well, and with the home mechanic in mind. Easy to maintain.
    I plan to get a lot of miles out of mine, not selling anytime soon either. I currently have 10,000 km on mine in 4 months of riding
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