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Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by EdM, Oct 16, 2013.
Fuel injection, ABS, and a high price tag. No thanks.
I call it a contribution! and say THANK YOU!
For me its simple. Too much scooter for 200cc. If I'm going to ride a maxi it needs more displacement. Rode one great scoot too little power for its size.
I like the looks of it but if its not at most 2/3 the physical size of a burg 400 that would be very disappointing. Was really hoping for 1/2 the physical size.
I think it is quite OK for someone, who is looking lighter, more economical, 150-200cm3 scooter, wants to place legs in the front, not on flat floor, have quite large space for helmets and other stuff, with ABS, preferably combined.
I do not see a lot of competition meeting all above criterias..?
Maybe I am not aware of something, pls update me.
Depends on what you need just as you say. The fact remains that this is a good scooter that should have more power. I put a couple of thousand miles on one in Spain and I came away with this. Great scooter just a bit large for the power.
Too bad because I was considering buying one as soon as they came to the US.
I ended up buying a SYM and it meets the above sans ABS. I've survived 40 years without abs and as much as I'd like too have it not a deal breaker.
The SYM is faster, lighter and far more agile. It also has more underseat storage. The Burgman is superior as far as the ride. Smooth as silk.
It also has a ton of under seat storage.
Contents from under seat .
Full face helmet
Rain Jacket and Pants
Long sleeve tee
HiVis Safety vest
Gloves and do rag
Small tool kit
Yes I'm partial to this scoot. I looked long and hard at the choices and the SYM is hard to beat.
Aaa, known as Joyride model. This one looks good, indeed. Not sold in Poland, EU. Also as you mentioned - no ABS.
In Poland - SYM service is very weak. KYMCO, SUZUKI, HONDA - are here much more stronger.
It reminds me also Kymco Grand Dink, no ABS too.
This year I was changing a scooter. Machine like Burgman 200 with ABS would meet my criteria.
As there didn'exist such - I bought AN400 with ABS, so far am happy.
But if few months ago it would be available - I would mostly buy it.
I also was considering new Forza 300, but it had so little space for legs.
I am very interested in this scooter. Does anybody know if the Cool Silver color is shiny or one of the new flat/dull colors? I sure hope it is shiny. The flat colors just don't do it for me.
I see the 200 is listed at 5 grand on suzukis website. About a grand higher than I had hoped for.
I just bought a Burgman 200 'Executive' (French model) after trying out a few others - I tried a Forza 300, a Burgman 400 and a Piaggio 350 X10 - and for one reason or another none of them quite 'fit'. I'm very 'slight' and not as fit/strong as I once was. The Forza was nice, very solid and 'planted' but I couldn't get on with the wide seat. The Piaggio's seat caused me the same problem. The Burgman 400 seat/position was spot on and I enjoyed riding it at speed - but I found it hard work on slow corners/turns and 'village' roads . . . so . . .
The baby Burger fits me really nicely and suits where I live - rural France, mostly country roads, hills, bends and just the odd bit of fast/straight road. I test rode it twice before finally buying - I collect it on Wednesday (8th Jan) - I can't wait.
Yes, would be very interested in it's top speed and how it climbs hills. Of course being 230 pounds, it would not likely do as well for me.
I've only test ridden it so far, but it was happy at 100km/h (around 60mph) for the short run on the Autoroute (freeway) I took - in the rain.
I reckon it will see around 70mph flat out is all - I'd be very surprised if it did more.
It's just over 18hp at 395lbs and I'm around 170lbs (12st.)
I collect it on Wednesday, the run home will give me a better idea. There's a couple of decent sized hills on the way back too.I'll write and let you know after then.
Thanks. And will do.
That's more to do with CVT setup then anything else, it can climb hills as
well as any other scoot/motorcycle with the same engine power.
I'll post it on this thread too . . .
As promised . . . UPDATE/FIRST IMPRESSIONS . . .
After my 30km ride home I have to say I'm VERY impressed. By the time the bike had reached operating temperature (5 mins) I was moving it around like a 125 - it really IS that manouvreable.
In fact, I'm so impressed at how well it took the twists and turns that my PCX (125) may get less use (although, I DO think the PCX is a gorgeous little scoot.)
The Burgman 200 fits me perfectly, but I can see 6 foot plus'ers feeling a bit cramped in the seat. My inside seam is only 29"/30" - I'm not a big bloke by any means - so you bigger guys will need to check this out for sure.
I can see it being a real hit with lady riders to be honest - no issues with getting my feet down at stops.
As to the ride - it picks up really nicely and pulls away from the lights or roundabouts really smoothly - the power just rolls in.
The deceleration/engine braking was different to what I expected as the scoot carried on happily rolling despite shutting the throttle off - not a problem, just something I had to adjust for - although I did have to squeeze the brakes the first couple of times. Once I'd figured it, it was fine. Both the PCX (and the Honda Forza I tested) start to slow (engine braking) as the throttle is rolled off - The Burger 200 less so. I also noticed I was taking the 'country lane' bends a bit quicker than on my PCX - which surprised me as I really thought the smaller bike would be quick through the bends - the Burger 200 just feels more stable to me.
Talking of brakes - my bike is effectively a 2013 French model with 'combined' brakes - but not ABS. I pretty much only had to use the back brake and the bike pulled up nice and smoothly with no dramas - same with pulling both (testing a quick stop) - no drama.
Hills: I only weigh 12 stone (170lbs) - so it's difficult for me to 'guess' how it might behave with a big heavy fellah on it - but it just pulled me along/up with no real noticeable difference to the flat. I have to ride through the Monts D'Ambazac (Google them) to get back from the dealership and the road through is windy with some long hills - the bike behaved very well - no effort at all as far as I could discern. Obviously I had to give it more throttle than on the flat but it just kept pulling, no issues.
Top Speed: I found the flattest, straightest bit of road I could - and gave it full throttle - it made (indicated) 115km/h before I ran out of road - I'm guessing it will top out around 120km/h given enough road (like a motorway/freeway) - I'll get back to you on this when I get chance to test properly.
So, given that it was only 30km/20 miles (it really needs a longer run/test) I'm very pleased - it handles like a smaller scooter but feels more 'planted' than a 125 - pretty much exactly what I was after given my (lack of) size and the roads around where I live.
So far, so good.
Couple more pics . . .
Some big Burgers (a 400 and two 650s - all 'Executives') in the dealership and a matt black 125 Burger . . .
Apologies for the not very good (non-flash) 'phone pics.
PS: The screen was just nice (I'm short tho' remember.) Although it 'squeaks' going over bumps.
Would like to see pics of the storage with real items I'm it.
No problem. I'll try and do it tomorrow.
On your top speed run, was that speed measured by the speedo or GPS? Suzuki normally has about an 8-10% speedo error. I opined in one of the other threads that the bike would top out in the mid sixties and that indeed appears to be where it is.
FizzyRascal : Hey FR, many thanks for the info, keep it coming! I'm seriously interested in the 200 ABS as I look for a lighter weight ride than my current SWing here in the states.
My dealer says not to expect availability until around April in the US so your posts are very much appreciated. Interesting about your's being non-ABS but with combined braking, I thought only Honda did that, a major plus to me. The US versions are to include ABS.
We are of similar inseams and weights so I am really looking forward to your performance comments. I'm especially interested in its mid-range/backroads performance (35-50ish MPH range).
PS - what is the valve adjustment schedule?
MOTORWAY/FREEWAY RUN (For anyone who's interested.)
I rode the baby Burger on the Autoroute today to see how it faired. About 15 miles (each way) was all (with a load of twisties at each end) . . .
The scoot was really happy at a steady 110km/h (on the speedo) at around 3/4 (or maybe 5/6) throttle . . . I could have cruised at 115km/h but I personally felt happier at 110.
I tried a few bits at full throttle and it reached just over 120km/h (on the speedo) allowing me to overtake reasonably easy. In fairness, at these speeds I wasn't staring intently at the speedo . . . but it WAS over 120km/h (123ish maybe?)
It felt planted/steady enough and wasn't bouncing around or anything, which I half expected it to. I was very pleasantly surprised.
In fact the only (very slightly) scary moment was when I was passed by a Mercedes Sprinter Van. I was doing 110km/h and he went by like I was stationary - he was really shifting . . . I got a bit of wind wobble/suction as he went by . . . but no real drama . . . like I say (type) - I was pleasantly surprised.
I don't have much experience of motorway riding to be honest, the worst bit for me was the entry/on ramps - cars just seem to pull straight on - either just in front of you or (rather scarily) right behind you - and then 'tailgate' until they can overtake -I spent a fair bit of time looking in my mirrors if I'm honest.
Again, the Burger suits me as I'll do very little motorway riding anyway, but it's nice to know I can should I need to - even if it's only for a few miles/junctions.
Hope this helps.