Suzuki DL650 vs XT1200Z

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Red Dust, Aug 18, 2012.

  1. Pecha72

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    Initially I thought the same. But consumption is down a bit from the previous version, so range remains roughly just about the same, it´s just cheaper to run.

    Personally if I had the choice, I WOULD take the extra 2 liters in the tank, too, but I guess styling came in the way. The 2004-2011 650 was strongly based on the 1000-version, whereas the new one is “made” to be a 650. I´ve got a 2007 and 2012 right now.
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  2. MoBill

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    Graham, I love that gas tank! :-) I love things that hold a lot of gas, I guess that's why I loved my old man so much. :-)

    I'll let you guys know I'm on my way and will pick up at about 930 this morning.
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  3. Red Dust

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    Test rode the XTZ with my Ms today.
    All good: Beautiful bike, enough power, very good brakes even on dirt roads, did not mind the traction control even if it stopped wheelies (got my other bikers for that), seat felt good, pillion was happy and noted better suspension than the DL.

    Dislikes: Handlebar vibes! Not good but having said that the DL had also some minor in the beginning plus I rode with racing gloves but still it will be a big minus in my book.
    The average fuel consumption was 8.2 litres per 100 km`s (according to the onboard computer) which is way higher than the DL even if I would trash the Strom.
    Turbulence from the screen is bad but not as bad as the Strom before I removed the screen,can be rectified.
    Would I buy it? If I can be convinced that the vibes can be rectified and I can get a very good deal maybe I will trade the DL but at the moment, no.
    Thanks for all the input, I might buy the "big" Yamaha one day but not yet.
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  4. SuperCruise

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    Vibes: I didn't like them on the S10 when I first got it, but the Wee I had before it was worse in this area. I put on some grip puppies and it reduced the vibe significantly. After 10,000 kms, they are barely noticable on the S10.
    Fuel consumption: For the same given riding conditions, the S10 chews about 0.5l/100kms more than the Wee at speeds less than 100 kph and about the same or less above that speed, all for a whole lot more poke.
    Turbulence: Out of the box, there is a bit of buffeting but, like with the Wee, easily fixed with a Madstad-like bracket

    Mind you, all my comparisons are with a 2006 Wee. I believe that the 2012 Wee is better in all these areas. If I was budget conscious and buying again, I'd certainly consider a 2012 Wee, or a Versys 1000 for a bit of extra poke and TC.
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  5. GrahamD

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    Typical fuel consumption for me 1700Km including 200km dirt / mud road 5L/100Km. That's basically sticking to the speed limit, you know. ahem, unless I'm looking at the road that is. I see 4.5-4.7KL/100 on the slab. (corrected) at the speed limit.

    Vibes? On the slab better than the DL1000. On full throttle about the same. Not as good as the SV I had, but I kind of expected two 600cc pistons to give some kind of thump.

    Mine has 10,000Km on it. I have never ridden a brand new one.
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  6. Red Dust

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    The ST I test rode was brand new and I did not baby it so that could be the reason for a higher fuel consumption and vibes are most likely worse when it is new as well.
    My DL had vibes but put grip puppies, Throttlemeister end bar weights and normally wear thicker gloves which helped against vibes.
    Tried different screens, Mad stad bracket but it did not help much with the famous V-Strom turbulence so I just simply removed the screen and all completely = bliss, suppose it is easy to do with the XTZ as well or maybe try the shorty screen from Calsci?
    Lots of people thought the XTZ did not have a lot of oomph but I personally think it is plenty especially for the dirt.
    Think it is the most beautiful adventure tourer out there and it seems to be very capable in the dirt for that size.
    It actually felt as light or even lighter than my 2007 DL650, amazing!
    Just have to wait to find out what the dealership can do for me.
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  7. MoBill

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    So, picked up the V-Strom last Friday, sight unseen, loaded it and brought it home.

    A few hundred miles and the impressions in contrast to the Super Tenere were stark. Feels lighter all the way around, the engine is smooth as butter and it's quiet.

    All stating the obvious that the two completely different mills make the initial impression, throttle response, everything different. Made the STZ feel like a tractor--BUT, I LOVED that about that bike. It was cool as shit.

    The DL just doesn't make you say "FUUUUUUCK". It won't it can't...but it is smooth as glass in my mind in comparison.

    DL feels thinner, lighter, the tank tapers in a way that felt very different when standing--the STZ was definitely OK here, but the 'lightness" and "thin-ness" were what stuck with me.

    There felt to be significantly less leg room on the DL, overall, not as roomy, on a 140 mile ride, I was more cramped and will be changing the stock bars out--the DL factory bars have too much sweep for me, angled too far back. I never noticed

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    NONE of that stuff matters....

    The DL is a quintessential commuter, to me...and the XTZ1200 is a true full-size adventure bike, time machine, etc.

    I bought the DL because I wanted to get back to something simple to commute on, that could do light touring duty if it arised...and sold the XTZ to free up a couple of grand for Jiu Jitsu lessons--no kidding--so take all that if you wonder why I'd sell the Tenere...just a little more bike than I needed.
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  8. Parigi

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    Thanks MoBill.
    I test rode the new Strom and the NC700X and I liked both of them, with the balance tilting towards the NC because it was smoother. The little Strom was rev-happier but a little buzzy through the pegs and frame at around 4000 RPM. It almost felt like it needed a TBS, but I know that you cannot balance the throttles on these things. On the other hand I read from people like you about being really smooth. Do you have that 4-5 thousand RPM buzz on yours?
    I am also considering the Super Tenere, so your feedback is greatly appreciated.
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  9. MoBill

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    I definitely noticed some buzz at that RPM...but the Tenere is known for a bit of that as well...

    My personal take is that no motorcycle is without it. Just me...I did some "princess and the pea" poking of guys that complained about the Tenere's buzz, I really never notice those things.

    DL buzz at 4k+? Yes. Noteworthy? No. To me, totally normal.

    I am replacing the bars so that my hands aren't canted, and when my hands get sleepy I change my grip...I know more stating the obvious, but just my take on both bikes.

    If you've the money and the place to ride it, get the Tenere, stepping out the rear wheel in TCS Mode 2 by itself is worth the price of admission. Made me feel like a superstar, which I'm not.

    The Strom, I feel happy with it because I have that "poor kid" reflex where when I have something really expensive I feel guilty about it. :D
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  10. Parigi

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    I have that reflex too, so I am trying to figure out the sweet spot between cost, reliability and performance. Thanks again.
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  11. Red Dust

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    When I started this thread I meant a comparison between the older DL650 vs Super Tenere` 1200 since I already got the DL650.
    The DL is a terrific bike but when you get that feeling it is time for a change regardless if it is high mileage or just things start to break e,t,c then you start to look at other bikes and in my case I always been a Yamaha man and the ST seems to be a good choice, not perfect but which bike is?
    I thought the DL vibrated as well when it was new but grip puppies and Throttlemeister heavy end bar weights seemed to take away most of the vibes.
    Just hope the turbulence is possible to rectify even if it means to remove the screen, it is just too tiring on long trips, the DL is just bliss since removal of the screen.
    Still think the ST is too high priced since I believe most bikes here in Australia are 2010 or 2011 plated, 2013 models coming out soon.... lowest price so far is $19K ride away which is about the same in $US which personally I think it is more than it should be for basically a 1-2 year old bike.
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  12. MoBill

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    I had a 2007 DL650A that I sold when I ordered the Tenere. Comparison there? The Tenere felt the same in comparison in terms of size, MUCH better when it came to standing up on the pegs and getting over the tank and tons better off-highway. Loved the Tenere in the hard rock or dirt--the V-Strom was OK on groomed dirt for me.

    More a function, perhaps, of tires. But the Tenere was more planted even in the loose stuff, and I put the TW152/150 on the Tenere and liked it a shit-ton better than the V-Strom.

    What I really missed when I sold the DL and went to the Tenere was the engine, really missed the way the DL moved through the rev range at first--the tractory nature of the Tenere took some getting used to--but I loved that too, eventually.

    Price? For me, I sold the Tenere to get rid of the payment, just didn't have the gumption to stay with it when other things came along that needed that money. So, back to the DL...

    Good luck.
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  13. SuperCruise

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    Now that you mention it, I too missed the engine on the DL when I first updated to the S10, especially in the twisties. The S10 seemed just too easy to power through it all with its fat torque across the power band, whereas I had to work the DL through the gears to keep it in that 6 - 10K sweet spot and was actually quite fun to do. Like you, I too got over it but I certainly remember my DL riding days very fondly. :freaky
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  14. Red Dust

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    Finally after "years" of thinking to buy or not to buy I gave in and put a deposit on a 60 km demo bike (only 38 miles on the odo which is basically new).
    Before I made up my mind I took a couple of more bikes for a test spin and I think it does feel as or almost as light once moving as the DL650, amazing.
    Still think it is vibey compared to the DL650 but according to owners it seems to disappear after awhile.
    I`m pretty sure I will be happy once sorted.
    Thought about the 2012 DL650 but for a bit more $ you get "more" bike.
    Never had a bike with TC, ABS and shaft drive (except had an old XS1100 as a holiday bike) looking forward to Tuesday when I will pick it up.
    Ride safe!
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  15. Kawidad

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    Keep us posted with pictures, of course. :evil
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    I will try to post pictures once I know how to do it.
    Hope this bike will be as good long term as the DL was. Took me awhile to find solutions budget wise to keep my other 2 bikes and also be able to get the XT but when you get older it seems like the time goes faster and if you got a passion for something I would say life is too short not to try to get what you desire. If this bike will not be my answer I can always go back to the DL.....
    The XT Forums seems to be very helpful so that is comforting.
    Thanks!
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  17. The_Precious_Juice

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    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DohIY1LTRe8

    Another video of the Wee getting the damn job done.

    However, when you consider there are a good amount of 2012 around new, and lots of 2013, you should just go with Yamaha. Espically if two up, or riding with a group.


    However, the new 1000 V strom could bridge the gap.

    I do not see the Wee getting a up grade soon. Suzuki should be happy with their MCs out now.
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