SW Texas Info Sought (W. of Hill country)

Discussion in 'Tejas and the Gulf States' started by Dagwood_55, Dec 11, 2011.

  1. Dagwood_55

    Dagwood_55 Long timer

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    I was thinking of planning a ride. I've riden the Hill Country and enjoyed it much.

    But years ago, I turkey hunted south of a little town called Rock Springs, in the middle
    of nowhere. We drove out of town and stayed in a cabin about 25 miles from town.
    There were gravel roads going everwhere and I thought it would be really neat to explore
    some of them. They went thru canyons and up around small mountains or hills. A lot of
    sand, but mostly decent roads.

    The only problem I see is: There were gates everwhere and often. The kind that have counter-
    weights and you push them open with your truck if you have a big bumper. Think a guy could push these
    gates open with his bike?? Are most of these roads county roads and publicly accessable?? My Garmin 24K
    Topo shows them to be county roads.

    What do ya think????

    Thanks for info
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  2. Grits&Gravy

    Grits&Gravy Been here awhile

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    There are a lot of county/public roads with private property on both sides and gates or cattle guards in Texas. I've read that there is supposed to be paint on the gates, I think purple, marking the road to be county, but not everyone marks things right?. On www.twtex.com you might find some more info on this subject. The only other thing I know to do is contact that particular county and inquire.
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  3. slowoldguy

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    Dagwood. I've run plenty of those bumpgate roads around Rock Springs. Yes. Many of them are public roads. Here's a link to one of the 3 best sources of data. http://www.txdot.gov/travel/county_grid_search.htm

    I have downloaded several sets of every one of them and I am working on a mapping project of dirt roads from the Red River to the Rio Grande.

    (The other two are 1) your own eyes and the eyes of folks who have ridden the roads recently and 2) up to date official county maps of each individual county which can and do change randomly, without warning, and not usually in our favor.)

    That being said, even with all that, you can still make "mistakes". Yesterday I was at a Micro-Brewery in Eola ,Texas, getting some "locals" to route us some dirt around Fort McKavett. The fella looked at my route and told me "that road don't go through". I said "How do you know? He said, "Cuz we own it." You can rest assured I'll be checking it out to be sure. :deal It was a damn good looking stretch.
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  4. Grits&Gravy

    Grits&Gravy Been here awhile

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    The intimidation alone didn't work? Do the research and know the facts......
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  5. slowoldguy

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    I don't get intimidated too easily. See my sig line. :evil As a ranch owner, whose ranch is on a prescriptive road , I'm familiar with lots of the "tricks" ranchers use. ;)
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  6. Grits&Gravy

    Grits&Gravy Been here awhile

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    There you go.... Knowing the tricks is half the battle and knowing your facts is the other. I don't understand why people claim rights to something that isn't theirs.

    I've only done a little bit of riding out that way, but was with someone else that knew where we could and couldn't go. Some of the roads we were going on would make most honest people stop and turn around because of the signs or lack of signs just to be safe. Anyhow, I plan to learn more about it myself because I intend to go out there and ride some more.
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  7. Dagwood_55

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    Thanks for the info guys.

    Do you think those gates are light enough to bump open with a bike?? I'd hate to think about dismounting at everyone of them.
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  8. slowoldguy

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    They vary. Substantially. In weight and design. Sometimes Bike 1 knocks it open and one or two more bikes can scoot through on either side. Sometimes Bike 1 hits it hard enough to lift the rear wheel off the ground and the damn devil thing comes back with a vengeance, catches bike 1 on the mirror and knocks Bike 1 on its ass in front of laughing nephews on Bikes 2 and 3. Not that I'd know anything about that.

    Two bikes can do it pretty easily with some planning.
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  9. Meriden

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    Texas trespass law is tilted in favor of the land owner. Purple paint on trees in forested areas, livestock fences, fields under cultivation and some gates cannot be passed without risk of trespassing. In open range counties you will come across bump gates and cattle guards across county roads, but it is up to you to know which are county roads and which are not. Garmin, USGS Topo and Google Maps are incredibly inaccurate, at least in the coastal bend counties. The County Grid Maps that slowoldguy posted are the most trustworthy source that is easily accessible.

    I've heard of some land owners blocking public roads, but have never come across one. Likewise I've met a couple of other land owners when I was "off track a bit." Generally they are polite (if your are) and will point you back to the legal byways. Speaking as a land owner who has suffered a trespassers on my property I can say that no one wants trouble. But when I get some fool who "was told by..." and refuses to leave or is asserting his "rights" (no you can't walk/ride down a stream bed) I generally get the sheriff or game warden involved. Mostly I just leave the gates locked.It's a pain, but it keeps people from wandering in.

    The Golden Rule applies.
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  10. slowoldguy

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    Good, balanced approach Meriden.

    The way I see it:

    If it's private I don't want to be on it. If public dollars are being spent to maintain it, I don't want to be kept off it.
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  11. WARRIORPRINCEJJ

    WARRIORPRINCEJJ Crazy, on a ship of fools...

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    I've been ridin', just west of Bandera, on MY weekends (Thursday/Friday).


    If anyone wants to slide up there, this Thursday, let me know. There is a road, just southwest of the Three Sisters, that I have been wanting to get to, for some time.

    The offer is open...


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  12. slowoldguy

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    Running from 55 to 674 by any chance?
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  13. WARRIORPRINCEJJ

    WARRIORPRINCEJJ Crazy, on a ship of fools...

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    No, Sir.

    I screwed-up. I posted "southwest". It's actually west of The Three Sisters (just west of Campwood and Barksdale).

    I believe that it's CR201. It runs between 55 (Edwards County) and 674 (Kinney County). It's 'posed to be a nice mofo!

    My problem...I'm a late-riser. So, I wind-up running out of daylight before I make it that far-out. I damn-near froze my twig-and-berries off, last Friday, in Medina County (trying to make it home).


    Where is 350?


    EDIT- We were typing at the same time...you just have faster fingers. ESP?... :lol3

    How did you do that? Your post (that I quoted) said, "350 by chance?"...or something to that effect. Now my post doesn't make any sense... :D

    But...yes...great guess!!!


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  14. slowoldguy

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    lol. Sorry. I was thinking I was wrong, but I was right. ;) 350 is exceptional and you were able a while back to ride it and 310 from 55 to 674. I did it a couple of times and it was fantastic. Literally the best outside of Big Bend that I've found. Not public now past the county line according to TXDot (and my nephew who tried it). I have not verified this with the county nor with my own eyes.

    Now, you can run dirt all the way from Rock Springs north if you like opening gates. lol.
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  15. WARRIORPRINCEJJ

    WARRIORPRINCEJJ Crazy, on a ship of fools...

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    So (to make sure I'm tracking correctly), the road for which I am searching is 350?...

    ...and is, now, not public?

    If that's the case, that sucks.


    If that is the case, which part (in which County) is still public? Thanks in advance...


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  16. slowoldguy

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    Here ya go.http://www.txdot.gov/travel/countymapbook2006/Pages/286.pdf


    County map 286 grid showing 350 and then south on 310. It ends at county line. Then go to 287 and it clearly shows dead-end at county line. Sorry. But the part of 350 you can ride (Edwards County) along the river is very nice. Lots of nice sometimes deep crossings. Very scenic. And you can still turn north on 310 and run dirt a long way. Not quite as nice but...whattya gonna do?

    BTW, I have the 2010 book and it shows it the same. Sorry.
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  17. slowoldguy

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    BTW , on 350 there is (or at least was) the bumpgate of Hell I alluded to in a previous post. The nephews still bring it up at family gatherings. Unbelievably stout. I hit it with my 1150 GS and damn near endo-ed the bike (uber-stoppie), and then the bitch slammed back on me and drug the bike down on top of me. But not quite as gracefully as I just made it sound. :D
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  18. Dagwood_55

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    Hey SlowOldGuy.

    If we were to make a trip out that ways along about the end of March. Rekon you would be interested in riding a day or two with us??

    We be Slow Old Guys also.

    I ride a KTM990 and my bud rides a Triumph 800XC.

    Also, what about camping?? I'm sure you can't camp on private land, but are there any public land or campgrounds??
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  19. slowoldguy

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    Lots of folks camp down by the river. I'll get a link. With hotels as cheap as they are in Rock Springs....I ain't much into camping.
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  20. slowoldguy

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    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645428


    chug's has been the most talked about.

    Hell. That thread has pics of the river crossings on 350!!! lol Who'd a thunk it?

    Here's chug's link but it ain't working for me. http://www.rockyrivercamp.com/

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    Y'all sound too fast for me. And I ride a pigbike. See? [​IMG]


    But maybe. Who knows? Maybe I'll have a day or two.
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