Swiss-Italian Alps

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  1. 2WheelieADV

    2WheelieADV Been here awhile

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    What do you guys think about this route?
    Is it ok doing it in mid July?
    http://goo.gl/maps/oBLbU

    Or this
    https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Andermatt,+Switzerland&daddr=Passo+del+S.+Gottardo%2FRoute+2+to:Susten+Pass,+Gadmen,+Switzerland+to:Oberalp+Pass,+Tujetsch,+Switzerland+to:Disentis,+Switzerland+to:46.7708834,9.1315402+to:46.7891339,9.3008534+to:46.7401176,9.4264853+to:46.685086,9.6675075+to:46.7902079,9.8175228+to:Fl%C3%BCela+Pass,+Susch,+Switzerland+to:Ofenpass,+Cierfs,+Switzerland+to:passo+di+Foscagno,+Livigno,+Sondrio,+Italy+to:passo+dello+Stelvio,+Santa+Maria+Val+M%C3%BCstair,+Switzerland+to:46.373621,10.361137+to:Gavia+Pass,+Ponte+di+Legno,+Brescia,+Italy+to:Mendelpass,+Mendola,+Trentino,+Italy+to:pordoi+Pass,+Livinallongo+del+Col+di+Lana,+Belluno,+Italy+to:Falzarego+Pass,+Cortina+d&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=46.498392,9.849243&spn=1.33669,3.348083&sll=46.763384,9.169121&sspn=0.166272,0.41851&geocode=FSSZxwIddiWDAClzHOmXLXKFRzGLUdit3taMvA%3BFbRmxgIdm6yCAA%3BFZoIyQIdL-SAAClhmiiKCmSFRzFrDjamqmRaYQ%3BFYz0xwIdzE-EAClTErGxe22FRzERnn034G46Zw%3BFbSnyAIdAxyHACklj_FlOBGFRzG0tV914rBJig%3BFcOqyQIdFFaLAClriSt3AOCERzHVah1PVAT54Q%3BFQ3yyQIddeuNACnveQ8oGt2ERzGuMkjWOvwfYg%3BFZUyyQIdNdaPACmJYBDaB-qERzGrMnyuNqEPvw%3BFZ5byAIds4OTACkpU9zaDJeERzFT6Z8epfhnXw%3BFT_2yQIdss2VACnfbTtL_qOERzELRyCtHlzg2Q%3BFVxayQIdMMmXACmdIAttA1-DRzGkRBZqNt7dIQ%3BFdDLxwIdNKmcACnxB_t5MRWDRzEn1OO7kBPATA%3BFRh1xQId6MabACkNqHeKLQ2DRzFgWcA-A3gGHQ%3BFdUKxgIdUHSfACkdHBhV5BqDRzFg64MuiAkHHQ%3BFfWawwIdMRmeACk3sRG-5geDRzG5K-fC3Gk0Dg%3BFZX9wgIdhfafACmbEi_egQCDRzEwWcA-A3gGHQ%3BFTBExAIdNgKrACkZljiUJoWCRzFATnEuiAkHHQ%3BFYVHxQId2060ACnROCyBNEB4RzGA64MuiAkHHQ%3BFWnSxQId5D-3AClhI9Hv9Td4RzHA52suiAkHHQ&mra=dpe&mrsp=5&sz=12&via=5,6,7,8,9,14&t=m&z=9
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  2. Cooltours

    Cooltours Rider of passion

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    What can't be done in July, can never be done. July all passes should be open. Is it a roundtrip. How many days, what bike? What travel style?
    Greets from Switzerland
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    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    Im so jealous. Rode there 10 years ago from Lausanne.
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  4. lewiss66

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    Are you planning to do some offroad riding?
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  5. on2wheels52

    on2wheels52 Long timer

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    Perhaps change your A B C to A C Grimselpass Furkapass B.
    Or you just want to run Sustenpass twice? (like that would be a bad thing:D)
    Take lots of photos.
    Jim
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  6. 2WheelieADV

    2WheelieADV Been here awhile

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    Ok, We plan to arrive in Milano and rent a G650GS as it is economical and still powerful enough bike. I checked other cities but I think in Milano (correct me if I'm wrong) is cheaper to rent then say in Switzerland or Germany.
    Days, probably 10 or 12. No offroads on a rented bike.
    Here is a full route:
    http://goo.gl/maps/wY4Vf - I have no idea why it doesn't gives me to continue from B straight to C on 19 thru Furca, but instead rerouts me back around...
    And this is on the way back to Milano from Cortina. I want to stop for couple of rest days on Lk Grada. Probably in Gargnano (C) but your advice is appreciated - http://goo.gl/maps/t6k69
    And to conclude the loop - http://goo.gl/maps/t6k69
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  7. 2WheelieADV

    2WheelieADV Been here awhile

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    That will be determined based on time we'll have. We may skip the B and will go to Susten and back or loop thru Furka (if won't do on the prev day from Milano).
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  8. exbee

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    That was the case last fall when I was searching for rentals in the general region. We ended up using Bianco Blu in Milan and had a great experience.
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  9. 2WheelieADV

    2WheelieADV Been here awhile

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    Thanks.
    Can you please give me more info on it? What bike did you get and what are their rates?
    How was the weather like?
    So far I found these with reasonable rates http://www.motorbikerentitaly.com/rent_bmw.html
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  10. glitch_oz

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    Nope, prices are just about equal, within a whisker, anyway.
    Rented in Milano, very much prefer Switzerland nowadays. At least they mean what they say:wink:
    Faster access to the "good stuff" from Zuerich, too...and the Moto Mader bikes come with a Swiss Autobahn sticker already, apart from being usually near new.
    (and the "touring models" come with all the luggage options standard, pay extra in most other places.

    Then again, LOVE Milano as a city.

    Maybe check into this yarn?...but careful, it's HUUUGE and will take some time to work through.
    Here's a little "teaser post", just click the link on the bottom to the full story (1600+ pics!!)

    http://www.austouring.com/forum/showpost.php?p=50061&postcount=149

    Did 6 weeks in 2007 ex Milano/ Bianco Blue, there's an even bigger write-up with 2500+ pics around covering that.
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  11. 2WheelieADV

    2WheelieADV Been here awhile

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    Any known rental places in Switzerland?
    On the other hand, rental prices could be about equal, but the airfare rates are cheaper from the States to Milano from what I've checked.
    Fabulous pictures!!!
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    Geneva (mainly tourers)


    Zuerich (just about anything from 50cc scoots to 1190s) Pricelist etc here.

    After some attempt at an English version of their website, http://www.moto-mader.ch/ seems to have given up on that.
    Still, just about everyone in the shop speaks English well enough.
    Fine for contact/ emails/ phone calls.

    It all depends on what you want and like, inclusions/ exclusions/ level of insurance excess/ personal financial risk (only SFR1500 with Mader on all their bikes), cost of first+last nights in or near "airport-cities" etc etc.
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  14. exbee

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    This was another deciding factor for me as well. Milan was the cheapest city in the region to fly to from East Coast Canada.
    As far as the motorcycle rentals go, we were looking for the absolute lowest prices and weren't as concerned about the make or model of bike as long as they were reliable. Bianco Blu was the cheapest by a fair margin when we factored in that they offer unlimited kilometers and we had no set route. My friend and I rented an older 660 Tenere and a KLE500. When we arrived the Tenere had been crashed by another customer and we were upgraded to a 2013 700GS for free. Both bikes were in good condition and we had no issues. Looking back, I would spend an additional few dollars per day for a better bike - the Beemer performed flawlessly but the KLE was far below the performance standards I'm used to (power, brakes, handling) and took away from the riding experience a little. That said it was still an amazing trip and I can't complain too much.
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  15. 2WheelieADV

    2WheelieADV Been here awhile

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    What time of the year did you go? Did you carried your helmets with you?

    July is much more expensive than September, but I kind of hesitating as the wet/cold weather can hit Swiss Alps. Maybe end August will be ok too..
    Milan or Zurich are the closest cities.
    I'm looking at these guys to rent from in Milan. http://www.motorbikerentitaly.com/rent_bmw.html
    The kilometers not included, but they can work out a good deal.

    But if flying to Zurich, I will contact Moto Mader.
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  16. exbee

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    We went in Mid-October and therefore got off-season rates. The weather was cool but that's what I'm used to riding in. It only rained one morning in the 8 days we were there. We rode the Dolomites and into Slovenia and Croatia...amazing roads and scenery in every direction.
    I walked onto the plane wearing my riding gear and carrying a dry-bag and my helmet. That's all I took and all I needed.
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  17. 2WheelieADV

    2WheelieADV Been here awhile

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    Can anyone recommend an inexpensive hotel in Andermatt? (like motel type). I can't find anything under 100 euros a night! And they all charge per person, not per room :huh
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  18. MichaelJ

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    Sounds like my first rental with Renato - I had a 650GS reserved, and got a free upgrade to an 1150GS.

    I'm now on my second Adventure Tourer (VStrom 1000 & Tiger Explorer 1200).

    OK - I would have bought bikes anyway, but it showed me that a short-legged (28" / 71cm inseam) rider can ride a tall bike comfortably. I had always discounted them as being too tall.

    Thanks, Renato :D

    I've rented twice more since from him and crashed (lightly) one of them. I thought that what he charged for the repairs was more than reasonable.

    I wound up shipping one of my old bikes over and storing it for 4 years in Heidelberg.

    Bottom line, for anything less than a month, rent. The bottom-line Dollar (Euro?) figure is about the same, and you don't have the paperwork hassles. It's also a great way to take a looong test ride (assuming that you're thinking about a BMW R bike).
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  19. MichaelJ

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    You're talking about Switzerland here - try and keep perspective. :wink:

    Try the Bergidyll. I recall it as being less expensive than the others. I usually stay at the Monopol, but have also stayed at the Sonne and the Schlussel.

    I haven't heard anything good about the Aurora.

    You might look st staying outside of Andermatt - say in Ulrichen or Wassen, but then you'll be out in the country a bit won't have the luxury of walking to restaurants, et. al.

    Note that Andermatt is undergoing a MAJOR building exercise and the small Swiss town that we all have loved over the years is going to disappear and prices, I'm afraid, will rise even higher as the people with real money buy the apartments and condos. Sample and enjoy it while you can.

    There's a new Hotel Chedi (5 star) going up that looks like someone plunked an HO scale building down in an N scale layout.
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  20. MichaelJ

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    Unless you ride from dawn to dusk, stay mainly on Autobahns and NEVER stop to piss, eat or take pictures, you will rarely exceed 250-300 kms/day.

    This was 18 riding days last July. About 1,000 kms of that were long Autobahn days getting from Heidelberg to the Alps and back to Heidelberg - so 4,500 kms over 16 riding days.

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