Switch Gear

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by DSTEVENS, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. JimVonBaden

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    I had the same problem with the standard switchgear after years of riding BMW. I got over it about as fast as I adapted to the BMW gear.

    Thing is, in a panic situation, you should not be thinking about the horn, you should be thinking about saving your ass!:deal

    Jim :brow
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  2. KsFolly

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    You got me started. I'm not aiming this at monkey thumper but at the zillions of drivers in America who seem to use the horn first and the brakes fifth or sixth. And perhaps their brain last.

    K

    End of soapbox rant. Please ignore. Happy now.
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  3. lhendrik

    lhendrik Truffle Rustler

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    This problem will self correct when you crash into the back of an 18 wheeler while you worry about the switch positioning.
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  4. JetSpeed

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    That there's a big no shitter! I've never hit the horn and had it change anybodies mind that I recall, I've always wound up taking evasive action, I rarely bother with the horn any more.

    I also have zero issues with the turn signal operation on the BMW and I have a Yamaha I ride as well, I think that I actually prefer the BMW combination switches.
    If you are having to look down to see what button(s) to push than you need to spend more time getting familiar with your bike, operating turn signals should be intuitive and if you can't get there than you need to make whatever adjustments necessary so you can.
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  5. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    You need to be able to find them immediately by feel so visibility is a non-issue.
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  6. funinthesun

    funinthesun Been here awhile

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    I rode a vstrom for many years and switched to the gs 6 months ago, after 10k on the bike i still cant get used to the controls and there too low for me as well at 5'9". i've pretty much stopped using them except for when i have to. hand signals and looking over my shoulder work better for me. while the setup seems like it would be more intuitive once your used to it, the retraining of my heavily abused neural network wont seem to happen quickly. also noticed i still hit the left signal to cancel when i'm not thinking about it, so i'm "that guy" riding along with the blinker on until I notice it on my dash and then almost crash on the freeway trying to find the cancel button. :huh
    Another note why do they but the horn right where it hits your tank bag? Even the BMW ones that are made for the bike, seems like a good spot for that wonderful German over engineering. :wink:
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  7. Bill-66

    Bill-66 Hencho in Kansas

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    Jeebus H. Key..rhist...you almost crash remembering "right thumb.."?? I hope to hell you park that thing before you DO hurt someone while trying to touch a simple switch, that's always in the same place..

    Maybe a motorcycle isn't the machine for you...

    :deal
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  8. Socrates

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    I think you hit the nail on the head. I can't stand the BMW switches either. I've ridden a friend's BMW for hundreds of miles and couldn't get used to the switchgear. In fact, the awkward switchgear has made me think twice about buying a GS at all. Glad they finally decided to change it.
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  9. DSTEVENS

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    I rode around town Friday and just cant get my thumb to hit signal cancel button without moving my hand away from its position on throttle. Maybe I have short thumbs, but I cant seem to hit the button without moving my hand. As far as the horn, I only use it to wave at people or say hello to someone. Most of my city driving is in truck, I rarely ride with my GSA in heavy traffic. Around here signalling is optional, as well as stopping at red lights and stop signs, and yielding to right of way, and........... Border town derby. D.
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  10. StuartV

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    +1.
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  11. StuartV

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    I have had numerous occasions where I have anticipated something like a car driver changing into my lane. I see the car make that first little twitch and hit my horn. On numerous occasions, this has gotten the driver's attention and caused them to swerve (slightly) back into their own lane.

    In 25+ years of street riding, I have *almost* never had to really take evasion action. As in, maybe 2 or 3 times, total. And I've never had an accident where another vehicle was involved.

    OTOH, the guys that I've ridden with that do seem to have to take evasive action on a semi-regular basis - or even have accidents because of, or involving, a car - I can watch those guys and see that they just do not display good skills in the areas of anticipation and/or paying attention. They have to take evasive action because of something that surprises them, where I saw it coming way in advance.

    And.... getting back to the OP... I think I made a solid case for why the Japanese style switchgear is better (safer) - in an earlier post in this thread. If you're posting in here to echo the sentiment that the BMW gear "works fine for you" or "if you can't get used to it, you should find a different hobby than motorcycling", well, how about you give some logical basis for why my earlier post is not correct (regarding the BMW switchgear being less safe)?
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  12. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    The best riders I know are all very good at anticipating (and avoiding) potential trouble.

    Anecdotally, I don't find enough difference to be able to say one system is better than the other. I DO favor the switchgear on my DR350, where the turn signal lever locks in place, then snaps back to the center with a very obvious click when pressed.

    The Signalminder unit adds a toggle feature to the non-canbus BMWs, where you can press the same button again to turn the left or right signal off. This is in addition to having a timer cancellation feature.
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  13. oldtrout

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    Yup, the turn signal set up is the only real issue I have had with my GS. I whined about it on the "what bugs me about my bike - or whatever thread" somewhere in here, and was told I'd get used to it. Not.

    Is seems that BMW agreed and went to the Jap/ Euro style on the wethead. They must have seen it as a safety issue.

    Doing a right hand thumb ballet in traffic vis-a-vis the throttle was not good.

    When they go to automatic transmissions in a few years they can bring them back as shift paddles al la WRX :rofl

    Cheers
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  14. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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    I understand BMW reverted to a single left-hand switch for turn signals to optimize hand control space because there weere just too many buttons on the switchgear otherwise.
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  15. JimVonBaden

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    That's a stretch, don't you think? BMW had that turn signal set-up for 20 years. Were it a safety issue I am sure it would have gone away long ago!:deal

    Jim :brow
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  16. oldtrout

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    Hola James.

    Point taken, but do the other BMW moto products have the paddle switches :scratch

    System Commonality ?

    Don't want to turn this into an oil issue (gotta love winter bantering !)

    Keep up the good video work, and your always entertaining inputs :freaky

    Ta
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  17. JimVonBaden

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    The K-bikes all the way back to the early 80's have them, and up to 2009 (IIRC), and the R series from the 1100 in 1994 to the R1200 in 2012, and likely 2013.

    Pretty much all BMWs between 1994 (maybe earlier) to 2011 had the same basic set-up.

    Not trying to be confrontational at all. I am a bit surprised that some people feel these cause them to lose some measure of control over their bikes though!:huh

    Jim :brow
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  18. kjazz

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    New GS has similar set up as Japanese and Triumph. I guess even the Germans have figured out that while the old style worked and eventually become "normal"...... the other set up was just better all around.
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  19. Bill-66

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    What frightens me is, obviously these folks are incapable of reaching a finger or two, out for the brake lever, or for that matter turning the blinker on...anything that requires use of the hand for anything but twisting the throttle. Thank god we haven't tossed in using a throttle lock..it sounds like several would have such uncontrolled throttle movement, we'd have to scrape them from the side of a mountain.

    It's odd..I can ride down the road, cover and use the front brake..and just let my thumb hang there..hell, I use the o-ring throttle lock and have no problems rolling it up on the edge of the grip. I roll the throttle between my two small fingers and heel of my hand..my thumb isn't doing anything anyway..

    Sorry guys..I can see you have a problem operating your motorcycle..I'm trying to understand..just don't get it.. :dunno I wish I had great advice for those who can't make it work...
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  20. kellymac530

    kellymac530 motorcycle addict

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    I see alot of folks saying you will get used to it, you will love it....stuff like that.
    You MIGHT get used to it, but love it...not me.

    I way prefer the Harley set up or EVERY other motorcycle set up. I have 10k miles on my RT and I still HATE the switch gear. EVERYTHING just feels wrong. I know where it is at, I CAN use it fine, it just FEELS stupid. I hate the horn button on my '96 RT. Just dumb pushing UP to honk.

    I have owned alot of bikes and quickly and quite easily adjust to different set ups, but the BMW set up sucks to me anyway.
    I hate the cancel feature.

    I would say the only thing I really liked about my HD was the controls. If you are gonna split the blinker controls to left hand and right hand, then use the same button as the cancel...on/off. Not the stupid on then a separate button for off...:huh
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