Sym hd200

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  1. Birdmove

    Birdmove Long timer

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    We bought a new leftover 2008 SYM HD200 about 2009 in Washington State. We moved to the Big Island of Hawaii almost two years ago. The HD200 just broke 7000 miles. The valves had never been checked, so today, with the help of a great youtube on doing just that on an HD200. It's a single cylinder water cooled 172 cc engine with a ceramic coated cylinder. With removing and reinstalling the body parts and being my first time doing this, it took about an hour and a half. The valves were still at perfect clearances, and I didn't have to reset any of the two intake and two exhaust valves. I knew they would be close, as when I removed the valve covers and rotated to TDC on compression stroke, I could feel a little play in each one.
    The bike has got a bit hard starting when cold, and I was worried that the valves were too tight, but no such problem. It runs great warm. Maybe the auto choke is acting up. I'm still learning about scooters. I've ridden motorcycle since I was eight, and I'll be sixty on Nov. 1st.
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  2. Midnullarbor

    Midnullarbor Been here awhile

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    The Sym HD200 is the Best in Class, for a small-to-medium scooter (IMHO).

    Good all-round design, in so many ways.
    Why go smaller than 170cc, when you lose so much performance?
    And to get significantly better highway cruising, you must go a lot larger ~ not just an "average" 300 scooter, but the best of the 300's (or larger).

    Arguably, the HD200 is right in the middle of the "sweet spot" in scooter design.

    Please give us some more details of your experiences with the Sym !
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  3. ferrix

    ferrix Been here awhile

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    I just had the first failure on my machine: at 23,000kms the headlight bulb burned out! :)

    I also put on the new set of tyres (in place of the original set, yes, it lasted 23,000kms) and replaced the belt, also the original item.

    Show me more reliable scooter at any price, and I'll buy it.
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  4. Birdmove

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    It's been s great scooter. Ours is getting mid eighty mpg. Smooth, plenty of power, handles well. We have a rear cargo box, and between that and the grocery bag holder in front, and the under seat storage the thing is a pack mule. My only negatives are no kick starter as a backup and it's a bit of work to add coolant. They should have made an easy to remove cover over the surge tank and made it an easy access. Comfortable as can be too. It'll cruise at 65-70+. Here on the Big Island of Hawaii the main highways are 55 mph max, and it's a cakewalk to do 55-60 for this scooter. I change oil every 1000 miles as it just holds a quart, but many change at 155++ miles. Great service provided by Firedrake (Google Firedrake SYM HD200) and his wonderful youtube videos on most maintenance chores on this fine scooter. Very good weather protection too. Much better than our Kymco People 150, which is a great scooter in it's own right.
    You can't go wrong buying a SYM HD200. The 2009 and later have disk rear brakes. Our 2008 has drum brakes in back.
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  5. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    Interesting the hear. Thanks for the mini-review. The Santa Fe dealership has a new one on "special" (that frankly isn't all that special) right now. Out the door price of $3999.
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  6. guzziknight

    guzziknight Been here awhile

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    I think you're talking about the one in Midtown that was asking $995, right? I tried to get it, went fast!!
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  7. sealsam

    sealsam Sam...I am.

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    Just spent 2 hours running around on mine(haircut, dentist, etc), and then hit PCH thru Huntington Beach....

    I really, really love this bike(and I have many, not all are listed).

    I thought I would be adding a '14, BUT, apparently no fuel injection...

    That's ok, i'm enjoying the hec outta this one.

    [​IMG]
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  8. alphaBETAdog

    alphaBETAdog Been here awhile

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    Birdmove,

    What type of valves are they? Conventional screw tappets or the newer shim under buck kind? It seems some of the newer small engines use the shim type and go for a long time before getting out of adjustment, but the screw type are so much easier to adjust.

    I'm really partial to the HD200 and came real close to buying one, took a nice test ride and everything. But got a smoking deal on a slightly used Scarabeo 150 that I couldn't pass up. Very comparable scoots in my opinion.
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  9. guzziknight

    guzziknight Been here awhile

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    Yep, that's about how long it lasted. :waysad
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  10. LarryRickenbacker

    LarryRickenbacker Been here awhile

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    Howdy,

    One reads/ hears nothing but good things about Sym's bikes, especially the HD200. Pity there are no dealers in my area (NW La.). BTW, my Honda Sh150i has been fantastic, save for recently, when a battery cable vibrated itself loose. I mention this because the two bikes are similar.
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  11. JerryH

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    This place http://scooterinvasion.com/ has new 2013s for $3199 OTD. Very tempting, but it's only a 170cc. I don't know what the real world top speed is, it is freeway legal, but just barely. The only interest I have in it is as a freeway ride, I already have 125cc scooters that work fine everywhere else. $3200 sounds cheap for something that could be ridden on the freeway, but not if it is going to get you killed. I do like the short, large diameter wheeled look. And it does have the advantages (to me) of a carbed engine and no ABS. I would love to trade my FI Zuma 125 for it, but I would lose a fortune.
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  12. Birdmove

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    The HD has screw type valve adjusters. Check the video on youtube that I mention above. His HD200 is a bit more work due to stuff he added to his. It is a 4 valve head, so you have 2 intakes and 2 exhausts. Not a bad job at all to check and adjust valves. There is a lower plastic cover that he removes in the video. I didn't take that off. I almost did, but was able to get the feeler gauge between the valve stem and adjuster tappet on the right side exhaust valve, and it was fine. I may have had to remove the cover if it would have needed to be adjusted. I would not mess with a shim type valve adjustment system. I probably wouldn't buy a motorcycle or scooter with that type either. I have no problem adjusting screw type valves. Did that a lot on big diesel engines for the shop I worked at.
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  13. Dabears

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    Jerry-

    The reason I've been looking at them is that even though it's 171cc the top speed is over 70 mph (seems around 72 mph gps verified), and the weight is lower than most 200cc scooters given that it has a carb instead of FI and no ABS. I've been looking at scooters for a year, and have yet to find anything in it's weight and displacement class that will match it's top speed. I have considered moving to a heavier scooter (Piaggio BV250) if I can find one, but for the money I have not found anything that checks off as many boxes.

    There are great 150s and 200s out there, but they are either heavier, more expensive, slower, or combinations of above. Why are these things so important? Because I'm looking to carry it on a Versahaul on the back of my motorhome- it has to be able to carry my wife and I comfortably and not be so heavy that I can't manage it up the ramp.....As I've said in previous posts the HD200 is not my idea of my dream scooter, but it does seem to cover most of my needs (if I can ever find a decent deal on one).

    If you want faster than an HD200 you will likely need to look at 250cc scooters, as there are many great used ones that should cover your need for speed without the cost.
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  14. JerseyBiker

    JerseyBiker Living the life!

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    I had an HD200 for a while and regularly rode it on interstates with no problem.

    It's a great scooter. Light, fast and easy to maintain.
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  15. Midnullarbor

    Midnullarbor Been here awhile

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    Is the fuel-injected version (HD200 Evo) not available locally?

    Allegedly 15hp, but performs better than that suggests.
    Perhaps they are real horsepower . . . or the transmission is lower friction than Vespa's or similar's.
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  16. AMAC1680

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    SYM will not be bringing the HD/RV 200 EVO to the states with EFI. At least not for 2014. I have ridden both and a top speed of 73 GPS. They are strong scoots and I had no issues with highway traffic.

    Be Big,
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  17. JerseyBiker

    JerseyBiker Living the life!

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    AMAC

    Another scoot on my list is the RV. Can you tell me how they compare when riding?

    I had an HD but prefer the riding position of the RV and wonder if the handling feels different or anything else differs.

    TIA
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  18. YamaGeek

    YamaGeek Ancient trailbike padwan

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    The shop I worked at had a lot of overstocked 2008~2009 HD125-HD200's. I'm surprised they didn't get sold, as they were amazingly top notch for their price and displacement. We sold a lot of Genuine Buddys and Buddy Internationals, I guess the retro look was more of a sales point.
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  19. Chillis

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    I have always wanted to get the HD200. Everything about that bike oozes quality. Just wish they would get an oil filter in it.
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  20. AMAC1680

    AMAC1680 Been here awhile

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    The RV was high on my list also. I own a Kymco People S200, 16" wheels upright riding position. What a great scoot ! Solid with smooth power.

    I also looked at a Kymco Downtown 300 , a SYM Citicom and the Honda Forza.
    The Forza is simply to big for what I like in a scooter, a true maxi. The Downtown and the Citicom were removed from the list based on the lack of a flat floor.

    I had the pleasure to take both the HD and RV 200 on extended rides.

    The HD has a riding position much like the kymco more sporty. Narrow handlebars high stance. Crack the throttle and hold on ! That's one bad little 171cc thumper. Good power right up to 73 GPS . With the 16" wheels took on all road surfaces pretty much as a cycle would. Tracked straight as an arrow at speed and was very predicable. Above average brakes that will stop the scoot in a hurry.

    The RV feels more like a scooter. Lower seat height wider bars and 13" wheels up front 12" rear. Although about 40 lbs heavier then the HD I never noticed it in the performance. Power was about the same with the only difference being the smaller wheels. It wasn't "squirrly" at highways speeds but as you would imagine it reacts to input from the driver faster.

    I did 120 miles on I95 on the RV. Not my choice but was delivering the scoot to a friend. I never felt underpowered and cruised at 70 mph without a problem. If I was going to ride the interstate as a rule I may have considered a larger scoot but that would effect the RVs nice, quick in town manners.

    The underseat storage is massive compared to most in its class. Ill have no need for a top case and that's cool never been a big fan. As you can tell I like this scoot.

    Matter of fact I've been on the fence for the last six months its time to get off. I'm going down right now to seal a deal! Thanks for the push.

    Be Bug,
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