synthetic oil in f800/f650?

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  1. Dave92029

    Dave92029 Been here awhile

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    I'm about ready for the 6k oil change and I was thinking about using synthetic oil.

    Any thoughts or suggestions? i usually wait till the bike has 10k before switching but...:freaky
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  2. MoToad

    MoToad Been here awhile

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    If synthetic was the same price as regular, I'd probably use it. But, I really don't think the organic stuff is doing any harm.
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  3. lbbmwtech

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    If you want to go synthetic then you'll be just fine at 6k to switch.
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  4. nedodjija

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    There is a thread somewhere here that some guy explained a studdy by University of Ca on oils in motorcycles. Appearently the best one was Mobil1 synthetic. The bottle of it is around 10 bucks in my local store, but it saves time and money by changing oil once in 6K instead of twice. Plus I save money on the filter. So I would do it. Actually I am going to do it on my Wee. Back to the studdy. Out of all the oils Mobil 1 kept like 85% of it's viskosity, while other oils dropped down much more. So there you go.
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  5. Dave92029

    Dave92029 Been here awhile

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    Last time gas was $2 / gal. and on the way to $4/ gal I went to my local Wal Mart and bought a bunch of both Synthetic Oil and Ammo. The price of oil hasn't gone up that much, but I have a supply sitting in the garage just waiting for me to use it. :freaky

    The Ammo on the other hand has doubled in price. I recently sold some. I wish I would have mortgaged the house and bought more Ammo two years ago. Oh well stock piling on oil and ammo turned out to be a good idea. :clap
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  6. The Griz

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    I thought BMW puts synthetic in at the factory. Aren't the engines in the F650GS2 and F800GS born with synthetic in them?
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  7. darmahman

    darmahman "Illogically Deluded"

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    No BMW uses dino- They need to be broken in with dino, then they can be switched to synthetic @ 6,000 - 10,000. Not enough friction? with synthetic to allow for good break in results.
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  8. The Griz

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    Ok, makes sense. Good to know!:thumb
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  9. DolphinJohn

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    What if uhhhh, someone, put synthetic in @ 3,000 miles?


    :uhoh
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  10. marty hill

    marty hill The Energizer Bunny

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    You might end up with an oil burner that never got properly worn in. Hope you hit some very high rpm's when you started.
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  11. ride2little

    ride2little Riding Like the Wind

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    THEN...you should be beaten with a wet noodle. The SHAME in it all.
    Honestly. This subject is way overblown. Run what makes you comfy. the bikes will break in just fine. Ever run into a bike that has not been broken in properly? Or one that is "taking too long to break in"?
    Knock wood...in all of the motors I have owned in my life, not one has given me any oil/lube related trouble. Just be diligent with the PM's. Even my lawn mower...a HOnda I bought in 1988 is still going strong. Used straight 30W for the longest time. Now i just use whatever synthetic I have sitting around (usually M-1).
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  12. darmahman

    darmahman "Illogically Deluded"

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    It just means it might take longer to break in.
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  13. Wildman

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    Went on the World of BMW Off Road "Adventure Maintenance" course; Si Pavey and the team showing us how to set up and maintain an motorcycle for a long trip. FWIW, they said stick with mineral for the F800GS.
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  15. DolphinJohn

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    Don't you think by 3,000 miles it's "worn in"?

    And yes, I hit some high rpm's when I started.
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  16. marty hill

    marty hill The Energizer Bunny

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    Don't know anything about rotax/all my time is on 1100/1150/1200 BM's. Somewhere around 18k you can feel the difference/that's when they are fully worn in. I've reached this point with 11 new bm's. Many guys who baby there motors report large amounts of oil being used. I assume the two go hand in hand. I thrash mine and never add oil in between 6k changes of dino.

    I am doing the same with the 800 and assume (hope) to get the same results.:lol3
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  17. David_S

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    I've read that using regular synthetic is a no no for a bike that has a wet clutch sharing the engine oil but I'm open to reasons yea or nay :ear I also don't think this bike can be compared to the boxers since there is really no similarities at all. I had a K1200 and it never used any oil at all from day one yet all my boxers did. I'm hoping the F800 is more like the K1200 in that respect.
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  18. panthercity

    panthercity Cap'n Crunch

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    I've used synth in everything from roadracing sprint and endurance bikes to street bikes (Current Triumph Scrambler) to touring bikes (FJR1300 and BMW R11xxRSA) for twenty-odd years. All but the BMWs had wet clutches with no problems using NON-energy conserving synth oils.

    Currently a big proponent of Rotella Synth.
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  19. David_S

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    "NON-energy conserving synth oils"

    I think this was probably what I had read. Some are energy conserving (I think) and can cause clutch slippage etc.
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  20. lawe

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    Break in on mineral. Synthetic lubricates to well for breaking in. It just gets to slippery.

    Then when you change to synthetic (which is of higher quality and lasts longer than mineral) make sure you get oil that complies to JASO. That's a standard that says that the oil works with a wet clutch and does not contain EP-additives.
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