Taming the small wheel

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by driller, Jan 31, 2010.

  1. PMC

    PMC riding rider

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    Classic!!
    I commute on a orange Buddy 125 and it's pretty damn fun. 2.5 miles each way!

    Only issue I have is scraping parts on my one set of S curves :rofl




  2. amycyclenut

    amycyclenut Been here awhile

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    Oh yes, been on all the good stuff... mostly motorcycle, but on our trip to Deals Gap, did it on the scooter. Oh geeze what freaking fun. Especially Deals Gap. Stayed right on top of some motorcyclers. I'm sure they were shocked to see me on their arse.

    A few of the guys at Touring Sport have scooters and girlfriends/wives with scooters. Another has a Royal Enfield which is pretty much scooter speed - haha. There is s chick in town that has a Pink Stella, but I think she's moved to Charleston :cry During the late summer and fall, once a month we had a "taco tour" night. So motorcycles and scooters all came together, meeting at Handlebar and we'd hit a couple of the authentic taco joints. Good times.

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    ^^Pinup girl themed taco tour night

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    ^^Some of the scoots, but had a LOT of bikes and scoots show
  3. driller

    driller Twist and Go

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    After five years it is time to stir this thread back to life. We had some fun with it then and Hey, it's cold out so why not ride in our minds.:norton
    My "twist and go" experience has gone through some different scoots since we began pondering the mysteries of riding on small wheels.
    Majesty 400...Honda PCX 125...Vespa GT200...Piaggio Fly 150 (200 BlowFly)...Kymco PeopleS250 and now the smallest pair of wheels yet...

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    The PCX has 14inch rims and the People 16inch hoops. Of course their handling characteristics are somewhat more "bike' like. The 12 inch rims on the Vespa and Fly are smaller, but equipped with relatively plump 120-130 rubber. Input is a bit quicker but you feel well planted most of the time.

    Now, those 10 inch doughnuts the Buddy sports take the meaning of "quick and nimble" to another level.:evil Can you see a pattern of going from heavier to lighter? The Majesty weighed in around 450 pounds, the Vespa and Kymco are in the 350 range while the PCX and Fly come in some where around 250-270lbs. The buddy is close to 225 pounds wet. Of course, that light weight has a lot to do with the scoots quick reaction to steering input.
    The PCX barely needed a glance in the direction you wanted to go. The Buddy...just think it. :eek1
    Light, quick, nimble. Whoo, boy, these smalls wheels can be fun! :rilla
  4. klaviator

    klaviator Long timer

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    Those tiny wheels will kill ya. Too unstable and they will get swallowed up whole by the first pothole you hit. On top of that, you need more road hugging weight in case the wind is more than 15 MPH or if a truck passes you.

    Also, you need more power. You'll get run over in no time with that tiny, underpowered scooter. And you better not have any hills nearby. You'll never get up them.



    I know all this is true because I read it on the innernet.










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  5. driller

    driller Twist and Go

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    So, If I survive the perils of small wheels, when do we raid "The Gap"?:deal
  6. Eliter85

    Eliter85 Been here awhile

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    Well that's why they're so nimble. Pothole slalom.

    Trust me, some streets in Toronto are atrocious when it comes to potholes.
  7. klaviator

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    No definite plans yet but I'm sure I'll be heading that way a few times the coming year. I'm hoping for a nice weekend before the tourist season arrives.
  8. Oldenuftaknowbetter

    Oldenuftaknowbetter Been here awhile

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    'Izzat you Jerry?:D
  9. vt1099ace

    vt1099ace Been here awhile

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    OK, time for me to add to the mix...
    What I learned oing from a heavy cruiser (honda shadow ace 1100) to a 4T Stella.

    the cruiser hated turning and traffic...it wallowed like a bloated Hippo.
    the scooter in comparison wants to pirouette around it's own wheelbase (quite unnerving at first)

    the cruiser I did more 'lean with' the bike as I rode (even around town)
    the scooter, I find myself more counter balancing (push the scooter over one way, I learn the other) and it works! seems to really tighten the maneuvers that the cruiser never did.

    Around town I feel in more control than the cruiser!

    the cruiser, A LOT of front brake use and feathering the back.
    the scooter, too much front 'feels' odd, using it backwards from the cruiser..most of my finite control and adjustment seems to rear, with front covered for that extra 'oomph' when needed (otherwise it feels like doing a stoppy)

    it's more like going from flying the spruce goose to a hummingbird.

    on bumps and such, lifting my butt off the seat makes all the difference!
  10. driller

    driller Twist and Go

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    You put how I felt riding through Savannah on a Vulcan I had so well. "Hippo" does come to mind. All the time the thought of how much fun it could be on a light and nimble scooter in that urban scene.:wink:
  11. vortexau

    vortexau Outside the Pod-bay

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    How about replacing those tiny wheels to deal with potholes?

    Pictured below is a 'Stair-climbing configuration' as found on handtrucks:

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    . . . and even powered-wheelchairs:

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    Or, simply add a third small wheel so only one is over the gap at a time:

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  12. klaviator

    klaviator Long timer

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    Yes there are plenty of ways to deal with potholes but using them as a slalom course is the most fun.:ricky:ricky
  13. CaptnJim

    CaptnJim Scootist

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    Gets my vote! :clap
  14. vt1099ace

    vt1099ace Been here awhile

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    THAT! gets challenging when the road looks like something the allies bombed in WWII...I know that because there a few like that around here.
  15. cdwise

    cdwise Long timer

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    I know a few folks heading to Amerivesapa in Indy this summer who are planning on taking the scenic route including "The Gap". I haven't decided what my summer trip will be yet but if I ride up from Houston I might make the detour. Last time I rode it was 2012 when I took the Scarabeo to DC.
  16. driller

    driller Twist and Go

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    Keep us in the loop about your plans. We are planning to go to Indy. Maybe a caravan can be arranged.:deal
  17. Yellow Jacket

    Yellow Jacket Been here awhile

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    what's going on in Indy?
  18. scootrboi

    scootrboi Long timer

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    I have a swingarm
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  19. cdwise

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  20. driller

    driller Twist and Go

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    Temps eased today and I got to take the Buddy out for a proper spanking. Here it sits fresh from a fun hour of twisties and pot hole slalom.

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    Did not scrape any parts; much to my surprise. There is a lake nearby that is a great place to polish ones cornering skills. Plenty of tight too and fro and ups and downs. It lets you quickly get a feel for the bikes boundaries. More fun going between 20 and 40mph than should ever be allowed.:evil

    Those small wheels do take some getting used to but I beleive this one will be quite entertaining...

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