Tent Space discussion

Discussion in 'Trip Planning' started by Jamie Z, Mar 31, 2012.

  1. Jamie Z

    Jamie Z Long timer

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    Steve, that's pretty awesome. Very useful.

    I think the next step for the tent space is an audit, if my own experience is any indication. Last year I took a three-week trip to the southwest, and about eight times I tried to contact people from the tentspace thread. I only got a response from two or three of those people. The other five or six never got back to me, ever.

    The tentspace thread is getting old, and I suspect much of the data is stale. Though it would be a lot of work, I think our next effort should be to see which of those people shown on your map are still around and have space.

    Awesome map. It'll come in handy, no matter what.

    Jamie
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  2. stevejonesmo

    stevejonesmo Rookie old fart

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    I agree... something like dropping a PM to anyone with an entry that hasn't been modified in, say, the last 2 years. Over 800 of the current map entries fit that description. Some almost 6 years old.

    I'd send them a note or two asking them to modify their post if it is still current. If they haven't done so in a couple of months, just delete their post from the signup list. That will cause it to drop from the map automatically with the next update.

    I've built a list of all the posts in the signup thread, with the date created, last modified, Inmate name, etc. If anyone knows of a way to do something with it I'd pass it right along.
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  3. Jamie Z

    Jamie Z Long timer

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    I don't mean to hijack your thread. Your maps are awesome and could make the tentspace much more accessible.

    The first way I can imagine working through the data is brute force. Perhaps a volunteer from each state, country, or region who emails each person on the tentspace list and asks if the information contained in their post is still current. An audit could be done on a yearly basis, or so. The first year would probably be a bitch, but after the no-shows are weeded out, the list would be much more manageable.

    This should really be a topic all its own, as it's only partially related to the maps you've produced.

    Jamie
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  4. stevejonesmo

    stevejonesmo Rookie old fart

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    I don't know much about the back end of Vbulletin. There may be cool tools that allow the mods to automate the PM process.

    With the list I have it would be a pretty simple matter to construct a pre-filled PM with the relevant message. I could do it myself with a cut and paste and a click, once per message.

    The real time consuming part would probably be dealing with those who respond with a reply PM - which would be discouraged.

    Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
    But I get the feeling the Mods are kind of burned out on the Tent Space list - can't say I blame them as manually keeping the index current is just not practical.

    I don't want to shove anything down their throats... if anyone wants my help or advice I'm happy to provide it.
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  5. Jamie Z

    Jamie Z Long timer

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    I wouldn't suggest a project like this be left to the mods, but rather another group of volunteers. I'd be willing to volunteer my time to help or coordinate the project.

    I like your letter, though I had something shorter in mind, and I think a personal PM in reply should be encouraged, rather than discouraged. The tent space is supposed to be about getting riders together, and an automated PM seems contrary to that goal.

    A sample PM would look something like this:

    Failure to reply to the listing might garner a followup PM and then finally removing the post. I do like your idea to ask the participant to click on Save Changes to update the post, but one thing I've learned is that people don't follow directions very well. If you have to ask them to do something specific, there will be a lot of errors or misunderstanding. I think that sort of stuff should be left to experienced or trained volunteers.

    I don't know how many posts are on the tentspace list (Steve, you'd probably have that information), but spread among 20 or 30 volunteers, I think we could work through an update without too much trouble.

    Anyway, before we soil your great map thread any more, I suggest we ask that these posts be pruned and added to an entirely new thread.

    Jamie
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  6. thomas.tc.young

    thomas.tc.young Been here awhile

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    I think having an inmate from each state pm their states list is a good idea. There has to be at least one fanatic in each state ill volunteer for ny if we go that route. I think pm and email combo would be best and a short text like jamie z put up.
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  7. stevejonesmo

    stevejonesmo Rookie old fart

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    I second that motion!

    All in favor? :)

    I show 1,193 current valid entries. There are another 400 hundred or so posts that are just discussion or cancelled (but not deleted) offers.

    I like your ideas... but there might be the need for more than one volunteer in some states if it was broken down that way:

    Entries by State:

    California 98
    Texas 58
    Colorado 49
    Washington 48
    Virginia 45
    Pennsylvania 37
    North Carolina 35
    New York 32
    Florida 32
    Georgia 31
    Ohio 30
    Arizona 28
    Oregon 25
    Tennessee 25
    Illinois 24
    Wisconsin 23
    Missouri 21
    New Mexico 21
    Massachusetts 21
    Michigan 21
    Louisiana 16
    Indiana 15
    Kansas 15
    Montana 14
    Oklahoma 13
    Alabama 13
    New Hampshire 13
    Minnesota 12
    Maryland 12
    Alaska 11
    Vermont 11
    New Jersey 11
    Arkansas 10
    Utah 10
    Connecticut 10
    Idaho 10
    Iowa 10
    Mississippi 10
    Kentucky 9
    Nevada 9
    West Virginia 8
    Nebraska 7
    South Carolina 7
    Wyoming 6
    Maine 5
    North Dakota 4
    Deleware 2
    South Dakota 1
    Rhode Island 1


    Entries by Country:
    Canada 114 (could break that down further by province)
    Australia 21
    Great Britain 11
    Mexico 9
    Germany 8
    New Zealand 7
    Denmark 4
    China 3
    Switzerland 3
    Scotland 3
    Belgium 2
    India 2
    Brazil 2
    Croatia 2
    Netherlands 2
    Portugal 2
    Costa Rica 1
    Chile 1
    France 1
    Thailand 1
    Bulgaria 1
    Bolivia 1
    Colombia 1
    Czech Republic 1
    Estonia 1
    Turkey 1
    Ireland 1
    Kuwait 1
    Russia 1
    Neapal 1
    Nicaragua 1
    Pakistan 1
    Peru 1
    Poland 1
    Ecuador 1

    Works for me, but I don't know who to ask. I've PM'd all the mods for the Trip Planning forum and never gotten a response.
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  8. MitchG

    MitchG Iron Collector

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    If you need a hand just ask. I'll take on all of Canada.
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  9. GISdood

    GISdood Been here awhile

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    I'd be willing to share that workload, Mitch...

    And as my handle implies, I can certainly help out with the mapping side of things as well.
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  10. MitchG

    MitchG Iron Collector

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    Nice to hear from you. We'll see what develops on this issue. Looked at some of your trip reports. Sure miss fishing in the small lakes! Just big water fishing in this neck of the woods. Grayling will be running this week or next in the creeks so that should hold me for a while. Later.......
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  11. GISdood

    GISdood Been here awhile

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    Mmmm.... grayling... yum. :drif
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    Caught a few on the Finlay River north of the Williston reservoir...
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  12. Primal Haj

    Primal Haj Looking for Mecca

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    Good idea, I'd be willing to do Montana.

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  13. wheatwhacker

    wheatwhacker It's raining here

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    How about taking the tentspace idea to a separate site. eg http://tentspace.com/
    Each member will fill in an application with info such kind of space, tools, safe parking, shower, etc.
    Build the site with a map, click on country, state, or click on city and each member registered will be in the system by zip code.

    So, for example, I want to stay in San Francisco.
    I got to the site, click on CA or simply type in "san francisco"
    Every member in the SF zip code will pop up.
    You then send a mass email to each member and wait for responses.
    If there are members who never respond, a polite email to remind them they are on the site and if they are not interested in hosting people, buzz off.

    This is not the only motorcycle forum on the net, so the independent site could be used by multiple biker sites.

    Opinions....
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