TET v TAT Long Way Down

Discussion in 'GPS Tracks - Northeast, Southeast & Florida' started by CloudSplitter, Feb 3, 2016.

  1. CloudSplitter

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    Since the TET (Trans Eastern Trail) is not available, these days, eastern inmates who wanted to do something like that may be interested in riding the northeast section of the TAT Long Way Down.

    https://sites.google.com/site/gpskevin/adventurerides/trans-america-trail-long-way-down

    Looks like this may follow the TET in some places, but mostly not. I haven't ridden it, but have ridden the TET, and just hope this is as fun as the TET.

    EDIT: should have mentioned this sooner, the SouthEast Adventure Trail (SEAT) is now available, and is an exact replacement of the TETs, the southern extension of the TET, so you can now ride from Florida to Maine, on a fair representation of the whole TET

    Also note that NorthernTraveler, who developed the SEAT (TETs) is working on a new route to get from the SEAT to Canada. Looks like it will go farther east than the TET did. When it's done, it will definitely be worth doing, as his SEAT is the best organized off pavement adventure I've tried.
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  2. NorthernTraveler

    NorthernTraveler Long time Adventurer

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    Keep in mind that GPSKevin's route along the east coast has a problem - unless it's been corrected part of it crosses private land and I think part of it crosses some National Forest that is closed to motorcycles.

    The Forest Service is pissed, has contacted Sam Corrado as they thought it was his route - it's not - and were going to contact GPSKevin.

    They have also said anyone they catch in the closed area WILL be ticketed.

    Just a heads up.
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  3. Redhook

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    I was planning on doing that section this summer, hope they get it worked out.
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  4. Jeff@TheQuadShop

    Jeff@TheQuadShop TAT survivor

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    GPSKevin is a dirt bag that takes peoples tracks, slaps his name on them then charges people for something that he didn't create. This has caused some big issues as he doesn't update his tracks when the origional creators update theirs as conditions change. A good example of this is the Trans Canada Trail. Another example is the Trans America Trail, he has not updated his tracks since he rode it many years ago. Sam has made changes to keep the TAT on legal roads. Kevin's tracks can get people into big trouble!
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  5. CloudSplitter

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    Both of these posts are incorrect. That "info" about GPSkevin's tracks crossing posted land comes from Sam's site, which is clearly alarmist, and I'm sure Kevin's tracks have been updated to avoid them. In fact, much of his tracks in the Northeast follow the TET, which I rode in 2014 and 2015, and the only posted section was made impassable by a trench across the road. Kevin's track was revised to go around that, after I reported it. If you find any posted sections on his tracks, let him know. By the way, the TAT Long Way Down goes way north of the only other closed section of the TET, at the Maine/New Hampshire border (way north of where Kevin's TAT track starts).

    If Sam were trying to help us adventure riders, instead of just sell us his stuff, his site would mention WHERE those closed sections were, rather than just popping up alarmist windows all over the place. If you're worried whether any of those spots are still in Kevin's tracks, just ask him. He's very helpful.

    As far as updating the tracks, before leaving to follow Sam's tracks, in 2014, while deciding whether to follow his or Kevin's tracks, I asked him whether his tracks were updated to bypass problem areas, and he assured me they were. Then, the second day on his tracks, I came to a bridge that had washed out, clearly months before. With only a GPS to find a way around, it killed half a day getting back to the track. Yes, that just makes it an adventure, and I don't really blame him for the impassable river crossings, that were still flooded in late June, but I do think he should include a recommended bypass for seasonal problems, like Kevin does in the mountains of Colorado.

    What really made me mad about Sam's tracks, is he not only doesn't provide waypoints for gas and lodging, but seems to lead you around them, so you're sorry you didn't buy his maps, which DO show those things. For instance, after Oark Arkansas, the last chance for gas for a long way, in Lincoln AR, Kevin's track takes you west, to the gas station, then on north. Sam's take you east, then north, then west, around the gas station, then on north, all on paved town roads. I was really glad to have Kevin's tracks and waypoints on my GPS, in addition to Sam's. I really criticized Sam for this in my ride report, so I hope his newer tracks have fixed this.

    In one spot, Sam's track turns off the road, going north through a vertical cliff, then back west to the road. In another, he takes you south off the road, then back north along a non-existent road. He couldn't help but know about these errors, so why are they there? I see two possible reasons, both of which probably apply. 1. If Kevin, or anyone else posted his same tracks, he could show they stole them from him, because it's impossible to go there, and 2. he wants to make you sorry you didn't buy his maps, which tell you to continue along the original road, instead of taking the impossible flyer.

    Yes, Kevin posted his own recorded tracks after following Sams route, and yes, Sam put a lot of work into them, and deserves credit for starting the whole idea of posting epic tracks. However you can't blame Kevin for concluding that Sam was being unreasonably mercenary, and failing to consider the best interest of the adventurers. If Sam included waypoints, and recommended bypass routes, and actually updated his routes within months of required changes, and sold them at a reasonable price, then I'd say buy them. As it is, I recommend either using Kevin's free tracks, with waypoints and alternate routes, or getting BOTH Sam's tracks and his maps, at an unreasonable cost, and staying aware of what's on the maps (which most riders with the tracks, stop doing after a while).

    Anybody who doesn't like what Kevin is doing should be sure to boycott all open source software, such as Open Office, and Open Street Maps.
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  6. crypto666

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    Welcome to the world of off-road, it is going to be a bumpy ride.
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  7. crypto666

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    Are you calling me a clown?
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    That's good. Make sure you remember it. In fact, it might become hard to forget.
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    Speaking of public forums. This is floating around the Internet's.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1351090464906662&id=549303248418725&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1351090464906662:tl_objid.1351090464906662&__tn__=*s


    Not only does he steal people's tracks, he steals their promotional material too? Private property and trespass? You betcha, openly tells people to lie as well, it is right there in the ride description. He isn't a crook, he is an idiot.

    Sounds like a real winner eh? Was someone calling me a clown?

    Here is the real deal that GPSKevin ripped off, pay attention to how much money this ride has paid towards the local schools. GPSkevin, what has he done?

    The real Nevada 200


    From sea to shining sea, gpskevin has left his mark, and it isn't anything to be proud of. Congrats to all the posers and spodes who support this crap (crap being illegitimate trail ride operators who steal from the children).
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  10. crypto666

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    What's wrong? You got nothing to say now? Have you figured out who the clown is yet? I will give you a hint, he always wears a blue and black Yamaha jacket and his favorite bike is a wr250r while pretending to be something he is not.

    I sure hope his little trail ride passes by my house again, I will introduce myself.
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  11. crypto666

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    Yeh, I know. I saw your tracks 1 mile from my front door. If I wouldn't have taken the time to re-torque my front end, or gone clockwise around Highland I would have been able to introduce myself and explain to you in person just what I think of you. Why did you guys turn around on the backside of treasure hill? Didn't you want to venture in to Pioche? I don't blame you, it is a pretty rough town; not safe for people like you.

    You people are clueless. You pissed off MRAN, you pissed off BITD, and you pissed off the locals and it is MRAN and BITD and the locals that end paying the price for your laziness and stupidness.

    Why should everyone else have to play by the rules while you people just come here, use, abuse, and leave? You think you are special? Do you think motorcycles are the only thing going on? You must feel pretty special to tell a rancher that he can't get to his cows because you are "having an event". Bad move, bad, bad move.

    Marking an illegal "event" with orange flagging while a legitimate and the oldest motorcycle club in Nevada is marking course for a race? Bad move, bad, bad move.

    You don't have a clue how things work, and you never will. You are screwing with 35 years of trail development and a several hundred people who care. Don't worry, next time there will be more than myself as the greeting party.
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    Honestly, I was giggling thinking of you guys crossing any valley bottoms on tour bikes. Lucky for you it wasn't real wet and we have lots of sandy dirt.
    But the issue isn't you and your Starbucks squad tours, we welcome the business. It's the roulette outlaw rides using single track race course that you have no permission to use while not talking to a god damned people who use that same race course for actual god damned races and have gone through hell and back to preserve it. These courses get rested, most of it does not get used every year. Most people can't find them, most people don't know about them, but they are mapped and recorded, and you and your friends are screwing it up.

    You have no idea of the work that has been done, you don't care what you destroy, and you have no idea how many people are very, very unimpressed.


    I won't even bother to get in to the fact that you dumb bastards stole promo material from the Nevada 200, or that you disregard private property and safety when you ride through railroad tunnels.

    I also won't get in to the fact that you all agree to lie to whoever you meet. You are some real quality people, yes sir.

    You have some nerve Mike, some nerve.
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    Irrelevant, go ahead bring your loaded down whatever and ride some single track. I welcome seeing that shit. God damned best entertainment around right there.

    Hell yes, I could score some cheap as camping goods.
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    The only thing I know is that you think you can go wherever you want and do these organized rides, make a profit or whatever, use and jeopardize other people's hard work. I don't really need to know anything else.

    The webpage for your rides tell a rider everything a rider needs to know. What cracks me up is there are willing to pay for something that is free, and then agree to be dishonest about the fact. WTf is wrong with this picture?

    The guys that made these trails still bother getting a permit and doing all the bs it takes to do it right when they want to have a ride, why can't you? Lazy? Stupid? What is it? Otherwise you end up riding backwards on course while it is being marked for a race and doing other stupid shit.

    Do you know the names of some of the people that helped these trails to be a reality? You really should, and if you had any sense of offroad motorcycle history you would feel like a fool.

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  15. CloudSplitter

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    Hmm. Seems like this thread got hijacked into a critique of some of Kevin's group rides. I haven't seen those routes, but feel property owners who don't want others riding their trails or roads should just put up a Keep Out sign, or equivalent. Of course you can't do that on public property, such as BLM land, but maybe a sign before the public land, asking that it not be ridden except for special events, would work.

    I never ride on posted routes, but sometimes have a hard decision if I come to a Road Closed sign, or a closed gate with an obvious motorcycle bypass.

    Anyway, I have now ridden some of the TAT Long Way Down, in the Northeast, and DID come to a closed section. I sent a note about that to Kevin, and expect the track will be changed before long (actually someone else developed the Long Way Down extensions, and Kevin just posted it).

    Speaking of riding private roads, a lodge proprietor in Maine told me that the paper companies got through a law, there, that makes it illegal to go on ANY private property, without the owner's permission, even if it isn't posted. I'll be surprised if a single off-highway route in Maine is legal, by that standard, except for short routes limited to special ATV areas.
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  16. PittsDriver

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    Cloudsplitter, I've ridden most of the NY leg recently (from Maggie Valley up into PA) over the past two years. Where was the closure that you referenced? Was it north of the PA/Maryland state line?

    I stitched together a ride from Maggie Valley to Maine using bits of gpsKevin, the MAT tracks, the TPAT tracks, and some of my own tracks. We rode it earlier this month up to the NY state line before we ran out of time. It's an amazing adventure in it's own right and due to the challenging nature of some of our route, it took more than a week to get from NC to the north end of the Grand Canyon of PA.
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  17. Cattledog1969

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    How is the TAT Long Way Down going through NY and PA ? Any gates and long re-routes? I followed some other route last spring and it started turning lame. So I re routed to the hi-way to my next hotel.
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  19. NorthernTraveler

    NorthernTraveler Long time Adventurer

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    TET is no longer available.
    TET-S is pretty much going to be available shortly as SEAT.
    I'm thinking about creating a whole new upper east coast route.
    Might work on it this summer or fall.
    It'll be called The Eastern Route
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  20. CloudSplitter

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    PittsDriver, sorry to take so long answering your question, but hadn't gotten back to this thread till now. The closed section of the TAT Long Way Down was near the New Hampshire/Maine border, so yes it was north of the PA/MD state line. It was a pretty short section, a mile or two, and the way around it is obvious and easy.
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