TFT Display - what is your experience?

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Maxim T, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. Maxim T

    Maxim T Adventurer

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    My reasons for ordering;

    - I am of the age where reading glasses are required, current clocks illegible to me at a quick glance.
    - I enjoy technology.

    Experience so far;

    Pros

    - So far I really like it, gathering the info I need at a quick glance is far superior, for me anyway.
    - I wear Bose QuietComfort 30 Noise cancelling headphones, and with those paired to the dash, I have rudimentary control of music.
    - It looks really nice, the panel is excellent quality.
    - The UI and navigation logic makes sense and is easy to use.

    Cons

    - The navigation function and trip logging of the BMW Motorrad Connected App does not reliably work.
    - The music controls are basically play or pause only, no access to playlists or volume control (unless you are using the BMW communication system).
    - Can't change from MPH - KMH which seems strange, there is a menu but it seems to be disabled.

    For reference, I am using a Bose QuietComfort 30 paired exclusevely to the TFT dash and an iPhone X running 11.1.2.

    Overall, I feel that it is a worthwhile option, time will tell if it is durable enough to be reliable long term.

    I am curious what kind of experiences are others are having? Are my connectivity issues with the App unique?
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  2. krussell

    krussell Long timer

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    Me too on both counts.

    I have not tried logging. I did some navigation tests and found it to be great once I understood that if you want the navigation display to be present all the time, you have to select the Navigation tab. otherwise you only get a brief display prior to each turn. The other issue I found was that it is very hard on your cellphone battery.

    What sort of navigation issues are you having?

    I just verified this, and also checked the manual. It appears to be intentional as the manual lists everything else. This is really disappointing, as the only thing I'd like change is the speed when in Canada.

    I don't use any audio. I have a Google Pixel running Android 8.0.0 and pair it to both the Nav6 and the TFT.
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  3. TUCKERS

    TUCKERS the famous james

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    You can plug your phone in to a USB charger on your bike.....no more flat bat.
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  4. krussell

    krussell Long timer

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    When it's nice out and I'm on pavement, that's ok. But for the other 70% of the riding I do where it's raining, or dusty, or cold, etc, having to deal with a case, power cord, etc. etc. is a hassle. I take a ton of pictures with my camera, and really like having it in my jacket pocket. I should have clarified that the TFT is hard on the battery even when it's not navigating / logging, I'm not sure why. I just unpair it unless I need it. Contrast that to the Nav6, which, while it uses it's own built in maps, still uses the phone for traffic etc. It's always connected, and I don't notice any extra battery drain as a result of using the Garmin app.
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  5. Maxim T

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    When I start a ride, my phone rarely has an issue connecting with the TFT screen on my bike. I can almost always see the ‘Media' and ‘Telephone' as active icons in the selectable items menu on the TFT display. On my iPhone, I have mobile data enabled for the BMW Motorrad Connected app as well as background app refresh enabled.

    Most of the time the navigation icon is not available, it is dimmed. When it is dimmed, I look at the app on my phone, the app reports ‘Not Connected’ as its status for my motorcycle. At the same time, when I look at my Bluetooth device list in preferences, it reports that the BMW_IKOMBI_ABB5 is connected. I have tried launching the app before turning on the bike and have tried also launching the app after turning on the bike.

    It has only worked perfectly once. Since then, it has not worked for an entire ride. I either get a recording of my ride from the beginning to my first stop, or the recording starts during a stop. I usually stop for 5 - 10 minutes. If I remove and re-add my bike to the App it starts working again. My recording settings are;

    Ride Recording = ON
    Min. distance = 10 km
    Min. duration = 10 min.
    Max. break time per ride = 30 min.
    Embed photos automatically = ON

    I am going to try and delete and reinstall the App as well.

    Sadly there is snow forecast on Friday and then temperatures become somewhat unpleasant. Compounding my cold weather issues, while I have the pants, my matching EnduroGuard jacket I ordered mid June has yet to materialize.
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  6. swiss-happy

    swiss-happy Happy Joe

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    Hi! I am facing the same problem with the Connected App.
    1. I can always pair the Phone to the TFT (without doing any thing after that initial BT pairing).
    2. The Nav option was on ONCE. And I was in an underground carpark without the Navi VI mounted.
    3. Today I mounted the Navi VI, and the Phone was also paired automatically because I can see the Battery and Signal strength. BUT no Navi on the TFT screen.
    Also, I turned on the Record Journey option on the app. Nothing was recorded.

    I like the TFT screen only after I bought the bike which came with it. I had no real intention to pay for this extra.
    I was told that there is all this fancy connected apps, logging function and maps and so on...
    Sadly it is not as they marketed it.

    Will try again.
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  8. swiss-happy

    swiss-happy Happy Joe

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    Android.

    Does that make a difference? Come on....that's....
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  9. Maxim T

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    I have an iPhone X and I have not paired it to my Nav VI, I was kind of assuming it is one or the other, it never occurred to me they both would work at the same time, especially as there are overlapping features, unless you turn off the music for the Nav VI.
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  10. swiss-happy

    swiss-happy Happy Joe

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    I don't have a helmet headset. So I don't know about playing music from phone or Navi VI.

    Which helmet set would you recommend?

    I don't listen to music while I ride. But I will give it a try.


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  11. jmcarter

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    It's my understanding that the BMW Communicator headset is the only one that will permit full functionality, including the wonder wheel for tuning and volume.
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  12. swiss-happy

    swiss-happy Happy Joe

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    What is the BMW Communicator headset? The Sena one?
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  13. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    Did you mount the Bose headphones in your helmet? How?
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  14. Maxim T

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    I use the Bose QuietComfort 30 headset. To me, it was a life changing experience! It cuts out 80% of the helmet wind, and engine drone noise, you can still hear the exhaust burble when down shifting which is a plus. I can listen to music at a reasonable low level. I can still hear things like horns and sirens just fine.

    I had the BMW communications system in my helmet, and while it was not bad, and better for phone functions, the noise cancelling aspect of the Bose headphones, and my lack of desire to conduct phone calls makes it my choice for in helmet sound.

    Way back in the day I had a communication system in my helmet, all of my buddies thought it would be a great idea. The experience consisted of people screaming "OH FU##!!!" and people responding "hey man, are you okay?" then a "yeah, bro, that corner was just a little sketchy". I used it for half of one ride then went back to earplugs.

    I mostly listen to mellow music (Zero 7, M83, London Grammar) as whenever I listen to Metallica, or Rush I look down while grooving to YYZ and I am doing 160 km/h.

    No, here is what they look like, I just put them on before I put on my helmet. The other upsides is that they charge with a USB micro (USB-C would be better) and as they are not integrated into the helmet, you can use them for other things. They are great for train / plane trips. My helmet uses a USB mini, which is really old, and the only other thing I have that uses that are GoPro cameras.

    It is an optional add on for the System 6 / EVO and System 7 Helmet. The installation requires the disassembly of the helmet to mount the microphone, comms module, battery and control buttons. More here for the System 6 and System 7 carbon
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  15. Josephvman

    Josephvman I'm the Decider

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    I'm just trying to decide whether I want the TFT instrumentation on my GS Rallye and was wondering how you guys who have it like it? Is there much information that you get from that screen that you can't get using the Navigator VI with the standard GS instrument cluster? How about ease of use, and is it distracting to have to change through the screens on the fly? Once the initial cool factor wore off, was it something that you feel you'd have to have on your next bike? Anything you don't like about it?

    Thanks all, and happy holidays!
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  16. krussell

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    I think it's fantastic. I don't use the music/nav features. The rest of it is great. Very intuitive, easy to read in all light, excellent use of colors and graphics to convey meaning.

    Recommended tire pressures. :clap Not important at all for me, but it's not on the Nav VI. What I really like is the organization of the information that is presented.

    For me, the collection of information that's displayed is 'just right', and I don't find myself flipping much. After 1000mi or so all the common sequences are second nature.

    I will always opt for the TFT given the opportunity.

    1) While you can change units for just about everything, the speed on my US bike will only display as MPH. It's really unfortunate for heading to Canada. It must be some legal / regulatory thing given that everything else is changeable.

    2) The phone app is very hard on batteries, you basically have to have your phone powered if you pair it with the TFT or you'll be out of battery in a couple of hours.
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  17. nostatic

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    I have the TFT on my Multi, have the old style display on my GS along with the NavV. Between the two the TFT on the Multi is preferred (cleaner setup) as I find the speedo on the GS to be useless and much of the tach is obscured by the NavV mount. I have the Nav set to display TPMS, speed and engine temp and that works well with the other display showing clock and ambient temp. Truth be told some of the text on the Multi is too small for me to reliably read (I use reading glasses, but don't ride with them).

    I don't use any of the multimedia stuff on the Multi or GS as the last thing I want is phone and/or music distracting me. No better way to ruin a ride than a call or text, at least to me. Ymmv.
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  18. Gone Troppo

    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    Exactly! They can wait until the next stop.
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  19. Gone Troppo

    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    Yes, I use the Nav to display speed, engine temp, etc. It is a great feature. The speedo on the GS is indeed useless.
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  20. swiss-happy

    swiss-happy Happy Joe

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    Yes I would buy the TFT again just for the coloured display. Very bright and clear.
    Music and phone connections suck!


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