The 2012 CRF250L thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by dfhmotor, Nov 10, 2011.

  1. valvecrusher

    valvecrusher tractus pro pensioâ„¢

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    My XL250R 1987 (XR engine based) was 26 hp stock, same as the NX250. However, with a much lower redline, it was A LOT faster, as well.(less weight also) It had more torque, and lower rpms.

    How long did it last? 20,500 miles (4.5 years) and still happily starting first kick when i sold it to the new owner...

    How did it do that? Good mpgs(120+ mpgs), fast 0-60 time, and great durability?

    Twin Carbs.
    And it was perfectly tuned with the correct jets, select spark plug, and some minor exhaust tweaks..

    It did it with alot less RPMs, and would smoke Harleys from a dead stop..


    I have no doubt i could have pulled another 20,000 miles before i put a piston ring in, maybe slightly less miles if it began to smoke or burn oil.
    But it did neither when i sold it.


    ymmv

    The 2carb XR250r was rated 29, 30 or 31 hp depending on which factory reference manual you had to go by..
    But they have reputations for blowing up:lol3

    The single carb XR250r was a bit less...but had different bore and stroke, as well as induction style
  2. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    So what weighs more...a lb of ignious volcanic rocks or a lb of lays potato chips? :lol3
  3. TonyBKK

    TonyBKK Secret Soi Rider

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    Are they intrusive or extrusive igneous volcanic rocks? :wink:

    And more importantly, what kind of DIP are you serving with those chips??? :rofl
  4. RebelYell

    RebelYell Been here awhile

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    I couldnt find this crf 250l on hondas site where did you see that they might be making one?
  5. Llamaha

    Llamaha Been here awhile

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    They've already made it, will be released in Australia shortly but I'm not sure about the other countries
  6. rockinrog

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  7. HellCat650

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    I would imagine that this will kill sales of the existing 230L's...probably why it's not showing up on the sites yet.
    Sell off their inventory first....

    This might be a great bike for the Mrs...
    (and of course I would have to test it out for her) :evil
  8. Reconstructed

    Reconstructed Been here awhile

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    Sell off the inventory.

    If that's the case, we 'mercuns wont see this bike for several years :lol3
  9. byron555

    byron555 Lame Duck Adventurer

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    Now that I own a wr250r, I can say that the damn thing is great! Went from a xr650l to it, it's a better bike when you consider that it is only 250cc... way better! If Honda can make it as "friendly" as the 230L but almost as fun as the wr250r... Well... Home-run my friends, grand-slam home-run.
  10. black comet

    black comet Chink rider

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    I was wondering about something.

    Over hear in Singapore. We use bikes not just for leisure but also as a basic form of transport.

    There's a few funny questions hope you guys can help me out over here.

    CRF250L

    Got AIS equivilent. Off set crank, New unique rocker arm design to minimise noise, EFI. comp at 10.7
    Engine is base on a road bike. Seems like the fork and rear shox offers bare minimium adjustments.
    Cheaper steel frame.

    WR250

    AIS, EXUP, Standard cams with standard bucket over shims designs. EFI. comp at 11.8
    Engine is designed solely for off road and matard. Full adjustments for fork and rear shox.
    Aluminium alloy frame.

    I wonders, Base on the above mentioned, which bike in ur opinion is easier and cheaper to maintain?
    I seem to have this old school ideology that, the more parts a machine have, the higher chance that componet will fail.

    There is a few parts on both bikes that I particular concern with.

    The valve train design. The frame material, engine origins and the EXUP.

    Honda's fork shape rocker arms for the valve actuation claims that it's quieter and have a longer service interval.
    Also, rumours have that it's easier to change shims as it is not required to remove the cam in order to access the shims.

    Frame material. I have use bikes with steel frame so far. No complain on that. But Aluminium alloy frame? I have have no experiencce on that. But all tech datas on metals seems to point that All aluminium alloy have lower fatique limits and fatique life than steel.

    Engines. One is straight from a street/race bike. The yamaha one is suposed to be develope purely for it usage. Can't help but to feel that The Honda CBR250r bases engine is more meant for street use only than for motard and offroad. (U know? things like those on off riding and etc. Plus it does not have a easy access clutch cover. to replace clutch, u need to romove the whole crank case side cover.)

    EXUP. Amazing piece of technology. Reminds me of a fighter aircraft's variable air intake and the afterburner exhaust nozzle. I still remember my childhood days. When Yamaha came out with the YPVS for their 2 stroke. To me back then, It was DAH THING to have on a bike (I was a kid back then:p). All seems nice on paper and from technology perspective. But is it really that good? And do it fail often?

    My usage over here in Singapore is pretty diff from America and Europe. Over here, we use it a a primary mode of transport for some (kinda like how the Europeans and Americans drive a car to work and etc) On week ends, will join biker friends for rounding or maybe some light trails.

    Rding pattern is abit extreme here. One moment we are stuck in traffic jams and maybe the max speed is 40km/h. Then next moment we are on freeway going at 100km/h.

    Maintenace ability in this small country here is limited. Not much shop can do a full maintenace as according to the manual. Some shops here are still doing valve clearance by gut feeling (yes no feeler guage). Oil, filter and coolant change is not a issue, but they like to over tighten everything. We either spend much much more by going to the Main Distributor here (still they do blotch jobs once a blue moon. The Main distributor)
    Or we can DIY.

    Please share you opinions, in this aspect. Which bike is more attractive to get? Not in performance context, but rather on Quiet nice and easy control smooth ride and Ease of Maintenance.

    Thanks in advance:)
  11. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Captain Awesome

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    I couldn't be bothered reading the whole post, but I though the WRs engine was basically a quarter of an R1 engine, so it has its roots firmly embedded in road bikes.

    Suspension adjustment just means that most people can fuck up there suspension just buy turning a few dials rather than having to get someone to set it up properly.

    Frame material is really a moot point, I seriously doubt most people who would buy the CRFl would notice if it was made of plastic and wood.

    Exup system has been around for many years and seems to get disabled by owners an awful lot, doesn't mean it doesn't work though.

    I still find people who will swear black and blue that disabling a YPVS system on a bike equipped with it will give it more mid and top end, when all it does is loos bottom end and there for give a more pronounced "hit" in the upper revs.

    Bottom line is that this bike isn't out yet, so no one has any real answers...

    But that is all just my opinion...:D
  12. scooterspirit

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    The valves need to be checked at 600 miles. Some motors have required adjustment- you must have the proper shims on hand. Most motors have not needed adjustment at 600 miles. They are checked again at 16K.

    Checking the clearances is not too hard but removing and replacing the shims is more difficult. You can do it yourself, all you really need is the correct size shims. One gentleman. with the cbr250r, has 20K miles on his bike and it needed no adjustment at 16K.
  13. strongbad

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    Honda is the first company to use roller cam follower technology on a motorcycle engine. Roller cam followers have less friction and generally less valve train wear (all other things being equal). The maintenance interval on my roller cam follower Honda car engine is 110,000 miles. I would guess that the Honda engine will prove more reliable than the Yamaha because it's not as highly stressed (it makes about 3 less hp.), but the Yamaha engine has already proven itself very reliable with very long valve maintenance intervals.
  14. eakins

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    i'd venture to say that 110K maintenance is to replace the plugs on the engine not adjust any valves.
  15. yyz

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    I think the simple answer comes down to how tall you are. The Yamaha is skyscraper tall, the Honda is going to have a much lower seat. I am 5'10" and found the Yamaha to be too tall for me.
  16. Llamaha

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    The Yamaha has titanium valves, not sure if the Honda has these
  17. dmaxmike

    dmaxmike former quadtard.

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    Is this thing going to be for shorty pants people? that&#8217;s all I want to know? <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>

    The rest of you whining about a problem or problems that one or more manufactures have fixes for gets old. But just to review. No one is going to make a new air cooled 250-650cc carb'ed bike with USD forks and all the other crap some of you pine for. Why? not because honyamzukyski doesn&#8217;t want to listen to you but because they cannot pass emissions with it, at least not easily.

    Also for those wanting an street legal wr450r try to get it through your head that it would be at most $1000 bucks cheaper than a KTM/husky/burg and would require the same amount of "super hard" maintenance as the eruo bikes. Maybe the parts would be cheaper, but maybe not. I have never seen the gap that many on the internet talk about between the two. And I have owned both.<o:p></o:p>
  18. jon_l

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    Purchase price for the WR250R is way higher than the KLX, CRF, DR bikes, and due to it's better performance and higher-spec parts, obviously many people are willing to pay more. I would be.

    Why should this be so?

    Lots of us DO NOT want a street legal, Enduro race bike like a plated WR450 or KTM EX-C, but rather we want a medium displacement dual-sport, like the WR250R and with similar maintenance requirements, but with a bit more torque than the 250. I'd trade horse power for reliability and long maintenance intervals.

    For me, a 350 / 400 / 450cc version of the WR250R would be almost ideal (34-1/2" or so seat would be nice too).
  19. Northwoods Yeti

    Northwoods Yeti Almost house broken

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    +1

    except the seat height [I'm 6'9} and I know any bike I buy will have bar risers plus highbend atv bars, suspension, seat and if possible peg mod's for my outside the norm dimensions. So should anyone who is under 5'9 or 10 when it comes to off-road. You want a smooth ride that means suspension and suspension means tall seat heights.:dunno
  20. Grreatdog

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    For most people I know that are riding KTM's, Bergs and plated Japanese enduros it isn't about having more horsepower. That is a bonus of course. But what sends people over to KTM and Berg is having less weight with better suspension and brakes.

    In other words being fast offroad is much more about weight and suspension than power. Even my little 200 makes about as much straight up horsepower as a Japanese 650 DS. But what makes it fast offroad is being light with top shelf suspension.

    I understand that kind of performance isn't what a lot of trail riders and commuters want. It doesn't make the most pleasant street bike. I am only explaining that horsepower is not the primary focus or attraction of plated dirt bikes to serious offroad riders.

    To me, if the Japanese could figure out a way to shave 50 pounds off their dual sports AND put current generation suspension under them I would be back on a Yamaha or Honda in a heartbeat.