The $22k Joyride

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Snivly Dweeb, Oct 15, 2013.

  1. concours

    concours WFO for 44 years

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  2. Offcamber

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    This is the best reason of all to revoke....your are penalizing someone twice for the same infraction....
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  3. CallMeBoog

    CallMeBoog hi functioning idiom

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    Driving is a privilege, not a right. You don't own your license, it's the property of the state, and can be revoked at any time if you can't follow the very simple rules of the road. Such is the case as well for your vehicle registration documents.

    Driving is not a necessity. I know people with epilepsy that can not drive, but still make it to work every day.
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  4. inline4

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    It's all about the money. Locals put up red light cameras and told everyone it was for "safety". Even though these intersections were no more hazardous than any other. $200 to run a red light.

    On the interstate a stretch of 5 miles is covered by speed radar of Highway Patrol, Sherriff's Deputy, and local cops all at the same time trying to out earn the others .
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  5. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    In Texas statutes for the driver license (521.001 6b) the definition for the term "License" for the chapter includes:
    "the privilege of a person to operate a motor vehicle regardless of whether that person holds a driver license."

    Essentially stating that the statutes acknowledge that non-commercial operation of a motor vehicle is considered okay, by definition, without a driver's license.

    So, there is no actual law down here requiring drivers to have a license for non-commercial motor vehicle operation. Though the common belief is otherwise, and you won't get a straight answer from either the administrative or legislative branches. I've tried to get this clarified and been sent chasing my tail as they each sent me to the other for the answer. I eventually tried the judicial branch, but found the court had no jurisdiction in the matter and wouldn't hear the case. (I had cancelled and surrendered the state-issued license, then waited until I was ticketed for it and took it to court. The case was dismissed. I then re-applied for a license and carry one, going along to get along.)

    This grand folly of research over several years led me to the conclusion that the federal constitution prohibits states from enacting laws that would impair the liberty of a citizen. So, it may be that there is no requirement for a license for "ordinary" use of the roads. I've seen reference to commercial use described as "extraordinary use" of the road, which the state can regulate, license, etc.

    This may also explain, from a legal perspective, why insurance companies write motorcycle policies for owners who don't have motorcycle endorsements.
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  6. viverrid

    viverrid not dead yet

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    Plenty "called for". I don't believe for a second that these dudes went out to make a safety video about how to ride while complying with all traffic regulations. They went out for a high speed run and filmed it, thus preserving evidence of their infractions. What do you expect the cops to do, say "cool story bro", and tell ya what we'll only charge you for every 5th violation you took a movie of.

    If the judge and prosecutor want to give them a break later, that is up to them. The cops were doing their job.
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  7. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    The Socialist assholes who run Quebec make ownership of a motorcycle a financial burden, and that's before any citations are received. Ask any rider from that province what his license and insurance fees are.
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  8. gravityisnotmyfriend

    gravityisnotmyfriend Long timer

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    Do they push you through the red lights, too? There's an easy way to avoid that fine.
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  9. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    You Texicans crack me up...
    http://www.texastribune.org/2012/11/15/texas-doctors-decry-use-ems-fund-balance-budget/
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  10. waveydavey

    waveydavey happy times!!

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    I'd be interested in finding out how many riders have pulled a runner since these impound laws have come into effect. I know some who won't stop. I bet the numbers are up. :deal
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  11. SteelJM1

    SteelJM1 Undercover KTM rider

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    No but they shorten the yellow lights and the fines are heavy enough in some places that it causes more accidents from people slamming on their brakes at the first yellow.

    Here one has to take a stupid course if caught by a red light camera... even if taking a legal right on red, but you stopped a little too far or the car ahead trips it or w/e. This devices are far from infallible and the courts know it. They just don't care, its $$$.
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  12. joexr

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    I don't consider it a privilege as long as I pay taxes , that's just what the government wants you to believe. The government is supposed to be FOR the people , NOT the people's existance being to support the government. They could always fine your ass off and make that money without destroying your life because the powers that be took your license.
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  13. pjm204

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    Demerit points...what's that all aboot?
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  14. Dilligaf0220

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    Sigh...no wheelies, speeds not necessarily that excessive (max 160km/h/100mph in a 90km/h/55mph zone)...the big one is that they are charged with Dangerous Driving. Even a drunk, that blows a red light and runs over people standing at a bus stop hardly ever are charged with that. $5k fine and/or 5yrs in prison.

    Um, expect the amount they actually pay to be reduced substantially.

    The rest of the fines are from passing cars over double yellows, one citation for each vehicle they passed. Except that passing on a double yellow is legal there.

    Just a long weekend "blitz" headline grabber, meh.
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  15. Yossarian™

    Yossarian™ Deputy Cultural Attaché

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    Griffindor!
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  16. windmill

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    But everyone else does too, and they all get a say as this is a representative republic, not the jungle.

    I don't like a lot of the rules either, but have learned to survive in it as it actually exists, rather than how I wish it would be.

    Adapt or perish, its your choice.
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  17. Snivly Dweeb

    Snivly Dweeb Been here awhile

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    :rofl

    Well put but unfortunately I believe that the total cost of ownership is less than 6 of the other provinces if you count in insurance fees etc.

    :deal

    Two things to mention
    The road that they were on is a single lane in each direction with heavy traffic in spots since it is a main throughway to cottage country and to the North and is known to be one of the more accident prone in the province. Hence more patrolling on a long weekend

    The other thing to mention is that they appear to be from Ontario where going 50 km over the limit is considered street racing where they would be subject to a 2k to $10k fine per instance. They may have thought it would be cheaper in Quebec where doing 260 in a 100km zone (160 in a 60 mph zone) has a max fine of $2.9 k .Guess it doesn't help to video your transgressions

    Snivly in Montreal
    (part for the socialist province :lol3)
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  18. DAKEZ

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    In Montana it's: "Hows $40 sound?" :ricky
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  19. hankgs

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    What causes more accidents and injury...? TEXTING fuctards- Look how many more single vehicle accidents are occuring nationwide...
    Speed is nothing more than taxation by the Po-Po:deal
    How about a $20K fine for causing an accident while texting?
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  20. joexr

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    They just made it illegal in Florida.
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