The 650 Dakar Thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by underwaterguru, Mar 10, 2009.

  1. ferals5

    ferals5 Long timer

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    Nope, it's not charging.

    Went to start mine after a last weekends ride and.......3v ...... got her going checked the charge rate 14v (normal) :becca:baldy
  2. PhilzLeads

    PhilzLeads Goin' mobile

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    I have the same color '01 I bought used in '09. I see that the fuel tank anti-scuffs fall of other Dakars too....:uhoh

    I just ordered more, put 'em on and they fell off too. I'm getting some automotive silicon next time.

    What brand are the fork seal covers you have there?
  3. Odin69

    Odin69 Been here awhile

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    I didn't bother putting those things back on. That bike has taken a beating and keeps on going.

    The fork seal covers are "Seal Savers". They have longer ones that will cover up most of the fork tube, these are the shorter ones. I bought the Touratech fork guards first, but they're not any good for keeping dust out of the seals. The longer ones should be good enough for keeping the forks protected also, so you wouldn't need the TT guards.

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  4. kingdomstyle

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    2002 bmw dakar 650 are these a reliable bike?
  5. kubiak

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    yes they are, i have a 02 and they seem to keep going and going. on the forums a guy had about 350,000 miles and still original motor.
  6. Loutre

    Loutre Cosmopolitan Adv

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    Ah... I love this thread, keeps reminding me that the single used to be pretty and that I did the right choice buying the first g650gs looking like the old one :clap
  7. kubiak

    kubiak Long timer

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    yea reading this thread made me trade my 1150gs for the 650 dakar with no regrets.
  8. Barnman

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    They are great bikes. Keeps me smiling :D

    Washed mine today after a shakedown ride. She's taking me to Africa next week

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  9. racergirl479

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    Ok. what is the name of the little lever that the clutch moves, thats connected to the case??

    Asking cause mine is cracked pretty bad and need to order a new one, cant figure out what the blamed thing is called. if need be i can take a picture...

    Thanks!
  10. Don Coyote

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    The Chaingang FAQ calls it a fork lever or a fork arm...
    http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/Photos/ClutchPhotos/CrackClutchForkArm.jpg
    [edit: Part #21207652919 CLUTCH REL.FORK LEVER from MaxBMW]
  11. GSBS

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    Clutch release fork lever? See here (look under "clutch")
  12. Gravel Seeker

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    Ohh, link to ride report when it's done, yeah ?
  13. mothra

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    My coolant is low and I need to top it off before a trip this coming weekend. I don't have time to drain and refill the system like I should. Can I just add any no-nitrite/non-silica coolant to the coolant BMW put in there?
  14. Hatley Rocket

    Hatley Rocket Been here awhile

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    Hey,

    Are there any known problems with an '01 Dakar? I am looking at a used one, but don't know if I should hold out for another model year. By the way, does the Dakar really have 8" suspension travel front and rear? I currently have an '08 KLR, but this '01 has caught my eye. Has anyone here gone from an '08 or later KLR to the GSD? Do they come with an accesory power outlet? I like my KLR for commuting and off-pavement riding. No jumps, stunts or anything. It looks like the GSD can do the same, with more suspension travel too. I like the idea of the fuel tank lower for better CG. I am 6'-1" tall, so seat height doesn't phase me usually. I think they weight the same, now that the KLR has added 50lbs or so with the new fairing setup. The fuel mileage blows me away, most of you get over 60! I think right now I am getting about 45 or so with my KLR.

    Thanks for your input.

    T
  15. PhilzLeads

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    When you say known problems you need to be more specific. There are some issues with the bike that bother some riders and some that are just irritating. There is a website dedicated to the F650 bike, it just changed owners, here is the link---->http://f651.com/forum/forum.php

    Basically, that year bike has an engine designed by BMW and Rotax and made in Austria. I have an '01 Dakar that I bought used. It runs very well. I did have to put an iridium plug in it to smooth it out a little. If you maintain it as it should be, it will give you years of service. Yes the water pump may go at 50k miles or so or you may want to replace the front forks with YZ forks, as some guys do or the rear shock. One thing that irritates me is the way all of the plastic around the headlight does not fit together as it should. But oh well, it doesn't affect how the bike runs.

    I just got back from 760miles over the weekend, running some gravel and lots of country roads. The bike never missed a beat. 23k miles on it.

    There was a post on the 650 forum if I recall correctly that one rider got 200k from a 650. Not sure which model.

    As the original article asked that compared the BMW with Honda's XLR 650; do you want a little bit of dirt bike in your road bike or a little bit of road bike in your dirt bike? The BMW is the former.

    How many miles on it? Is the seller the original owner? Service records?
  16. Hatley Rocket

    Hatley Rocket Been here awhile

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    Thanks for your reply.

    I guess with known problems, I meant stuff that would need to be attended to or replaced soon. I have a KLR, which everyone recommends replacing the balancer tensioner lever, as well as checking for a deep hole drilled too far into the engine case. I took care of them both. Also some of the '08 KLR's are known to be oil burners, using an excessive amount of engine oil at high revs. I have yet to notice this issue on my KLR, though I did preemtively install a 16T sprocket to keep the revs lower on highway. I am hoping this will help to stave off any oil burning issues. Things like that are what I was looking for. I thought 2001 was the first year of production, so maybe the later years they had made improvements over the earlier models if'n they had mistakes. I read the first year didn't have ABS as an option. I don't mind searching out a certain spark plug, or 50K maintenance. The bike I was looking at was being sold by a dealer, and had less than 1000 miles. I have a KLR now, so I don't think a GSD would be any less capable off road, and maybe better on road. Does the GSD need premium fuel? I noticed that the compression ratio was quite high, so I am curious about that. So, whats irritating, besides the plastic around the guages and lights not fitting up well? What is bothersome? I do most of my own maintenance myself, removing plastic panels and such is part of the therapy of working on your own.

    Round 2

    T
  17. Don Coyote

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    One major issue witht he '01s is the integrity of the front forks. There have been a fair number of verifiable reports (6-12?) of the front wheel mounts snapping off under minimal stress and causing catastrophic crashes. Few enough for BMW apologists to point to flukes or possible preceding abuse, numerous enough that many seek piece of mind with upgrades (a good excuse for the YZ conversion). BMW never issued a recall or service bulletin, but did significantly beef up the welding around the wheel mounts in later models.

    Also, the waterpump is more commonly a 30K service issue, with some owners experiencing increasing failure frequency over time. A chaingang member has recently become so frustrated as to attempt an external pump as a permanent replacement. Haven't kept up to date on that one.

    One other minor issue I've noticed is that any minor tip over is likely to damage a turn signal, so converting to some sort of more flexible/smaller LED signals will soon be cost effective if you ever ride/live near your comfort envelope edges.

    Other than that (and the iridium plug), it should be a very solid steed...
  18. GSBS

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    My 2003 has been a great bike... just rolled over 76K miles and never an issure with the motor. In fact, mine has been the most trouble-free motorcycle I have owned.

    The forks are the big bug-a-boo on these bikes IMO. I did the YZ fork conversion earlier this year after my forks failed and broke off at the axle during an accident two years ago. The YZ forks are much, much better!

    I never liked the ABS on my bike so while I had it down I ripped that out as well.

    The water pump seals can be an issue with these bikes, though mine is still on the original. The repair kit is not expensive (about $50 for parts to fix), but I've never done mine since it hasn't yet needed it.

    These bikes run on regular 87 Octane gas. Mine has averaged between 60-65 mpg. Fast (80 mph or more) sustained runs on the slab will drop the mpg to the low 50s and poking along very slowly I have gotten as much as 73 mpg on one tank. They are gas sippers!

    I'm planning to keep this bike for the foreseeable future. Best motorcycle I've owned. Here's a couple of recent shots of mine...

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  19. trainman

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    Anyone ever had a problem with the Oil Tank leaking ( 2001 Dakar). I have taken it off and replaced the hoses, all three and still have a slight drip coming from the vent hose ( the small one). I put on new clamps and hoses, but still a small oil drip there. I'm now thinking that there must be a small crack in the tank close to the vent tube where it goes into the tank. If I could see the back side of the tank when the engine is running that would help, but you just can't see behind there when the tank is in place. I have now ordered a new tank, thought about JB Weld, but it may or may not hold and I just tired of messing with it. One other question, how do you install the oil site glass in the new tank, I did order a new one of those also, because both tank and site glass have changed part numbers and the old one may or may not fit. Any input on this would be appreciated, thanks, John in Ft. Worth
  20. Odin69

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    Hey GSBS, was it pretty easy taking out the ABS? Also, what kind of exhaust do you have, did you have to do some tweaking to get it on?