The 650 Dakar Thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by underwaterguru, Mar 10, 2009.

  1. ferals5

    ferals5 Long timer

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    just remember sizing is nominal, different between manufacturers. I've had a 130/90 that was over 30mm taller than the 130/80 I run at the moment
  2. tomatoe333

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    Oh hey, a local! :wave

    You still ride the 2-smokes? I've got one in the garage that gets muddy on a regular basis. I can also direct you to some nice dirt roads out in the hill towns in Albany County. Been meaning to get back down there, but the weekends have been busy lately.
  3. Don Coyote

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    The only Touratech item i've bought yet is the 35L tank bag system. It has a 15L tankbag and 2 10L tank panniers that attach to a base plate. The theoretical engineering is pretty impressive. The panniers hold more and are shaped better than the other ones i've seen (Aerostich or Wolfman). The main problem i ran into is that an impact on the bags usually seems to destroy a zipper (which make the system more convenient than strapped ones otherwise) and leads to a pricey replacement. The main tank bag is very nice with a large, detachable map window, zipper to expand or contract to 15L capacity, and backpack straps for off the cycle.

    It is an expensive system and although generally pleased with the design, i feel justified in airing some complaints based on the snarky response i got when i emailed their customer service department. The base plate covers up the oil chamber and ends up wearing off the decals on the fairing. I was fine with these items, but when i parked outside for a half year the base plate went from a black color to a faded purple and the velcro degraded to the point where i could no longer ride with just the map window and no tank bag, an advertised feature that would have been handy a few times if it hadn't turned out to be an engineering failure. The Touratech customer service rep advised to be content with all the 'road warrior cred' i would get for having a weather faded accessory on my ride, but i never botherd to point out how much of a poser i would look like to have a black tank bag zipped to a faded baseplate. I get the idea, backed up by most of what i've read here, that the TT folks don't actually get out that much to test their equipment...?

    Regardless, if you don't mind the hassle of loosening the base plate to check oil, or find a deal on a used one, the TT tankbag is pretty nice.
  4. ar1814

    ar1814 Been here awhile

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    I got the BMW one, not too bad, especially considering that I got it with the bike. I ride everyday with it (for several years) and it seems to hold pretty well.

    It's quite expensive if you buy it new though, better look at Touratech or other brands like that, you can have some better products in this price range.
  5. GSBS

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    I personally like the Wolfman Enduro tank bag and have one each for both my Dakar and WR250R. This bag is smallish, but would hold what you describe. The problem with anything larger on the Dakar in my experience is that it really gets in the way when standing on the pegs off-road.

    My Dakar with Wolfman Enduro (also mounted are the Wolfman Peak tail bag and Enduro saddlebags):
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    BTW, Wolfman used to make a tank bag called the "Denali" (since preplace by their "Rainier" tank bag)that was specifically for F650GS or Dakar models. I had one of these for awhile but found it much too bulky for my tastes. Here's a shot of my bike several years ago with the Denali bag (side pockets removed):
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    The BMW tank bag has some very nice features - especially the ease of mounting or dismounting it using a zipper at the rear - but again, for me, this bag is in the way when standing.
  6. Mohawk Unit

    Mohawk Unit Been here awhile

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    Hey!
    Sure do - you can find me riding stinky old mopeds every Thursday evening with about a dozen other people around Albany. Yes, I am the founder of Albany's one and only moped gang. :cry

    and YES I would love to talk about these dirt roads, going to send you a PM soon -
  7. DakarGuy

    DakarGuy Been here awhile

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  8. mothra

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    Its going to be hard to beat a Wolfman bag. I have an older version of the enduo and its perfectly sized for the items you described.

    http://www.wolfmanluggage.com/Tank/11index.html
  9. Gravel Seeker

    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    I'm "planning" (as in thinking about, wanting to go, but no firm plans) a trip to the MotoGP round in Brno (Czech republic). It was in August this year at least, so I'm planning for August, but I should make it back just in time so be sure to remind when it's getting closer, I'm about 1-1,5 hours south of Hafjell, 10 minutes from the airport where you'll be landing.
  10. Gravel Seeker

    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    Supposed to be checked every 20.000 km I believe.
    Mine were ok at 10k and 20k, but had to be adjusted slightly at 40.000km (on the exhaust side I think)
  11. Gravel Seeker

    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    I've done it before and I'll do it again, regardless of what bikeboy says in his blog, don't uncritically press the starter button for 2-3 seconds after the engine has started.

    The picture provided by rdalland of the manual states "Press starter button (max. 5 seconds) and do not release it until the engine is running smoothly". Imperative part of that instruction highlighted. My bike runs smoothly after 0,3-0,5 seconds so I naturally let go of the button. I would really be sceptical about going anywhere and how I would get home if it took several seconds before it started - that's what it does first time I start it after winter storage on half a tank of old fuel and a battery thats stood for 6 months in the freezing cold.

    As for the ECU, I was told by the mechanic at the main BMW dealer here in Oslo that you had to ride it for about 20km so it was warm and the air sensor and lamda probe would have gathered enough info to adjust to the ambient conditions. The important part here is to avoid short trips only, because the ECU will never adjust properly, and the settings from the latest long trip will stay in effect even if the conditions are totally different than they were on that latest long trip.

    All the bikes are probably a little bit different and everyone can do what they want, but I think a new owner asking for advice should not get absolute answers where there may be variations from bike to bike.
  12. Gravel Seeker

    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    Might not be agressive enough for you, but the Michelin T63 comes in the correct sizes and sticks like dogshit on a sneaker on pretty much all surfaces.
  13. Gravel Seeker

    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    Congrats.
    I just bought a set of JT sprockets size 16/45 to use for highway commuting which I think will be perfect.
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    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    I just bough one I guestimated would be just big enough. It is ugly and there's no perfect, easy way to fasten it, but it's not that bad either. I have an old sleeping matress (compressed foam) that I just cut out a few pieces from and used duct tape to stick together so it looks like a camera bag. Main compartement fits an SLR and the front has room for wallet, cellphone, air gauge etc or a tiny bottle of chain lube like in this picture.

    Bag is made by Oxford and it says Sprint on it

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  15. herrhelmet

    herrhelmet A Serious Man

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    Bike is looking good. Like the dash/switch/mirror setup!

    :thumb

    Bags not bad either.
  16. Gravel Seeker

    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    Hey, I had that bag too and experienced the exact same thing; base faded, but the bag and panniers did not.
    All zippers went belly up during my Australia trip and I snapped one of the pannier bottom straps. Like I've mentioned before; dental floss and a needle really comes in handy for all kinds of repairs and everything was sewn back on which meant I could only remove one of the panniers after a while. I found a couple of Life Venture waterproof roll up bags to use as inner bags and if I didn't know any better I'd think they were made for the panniers - made them 100% waterproof and easy to pack of the bike and just slip in there right before take off. I used the tank bag a lot without the panniers back home both before after the trip and knowing what I know now, I'd order another bag/ pannier (VP45 I believe it's called) before a new long trip and use camping sleeping matress and aknife to create dividers and rooms so it was a bit easier to stay organized on the road.

    Just a picture to show the faded base with map sans the bag, but with panniers

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    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    That picture is just so filthy I'm about to have an accident
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    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    :lol3 That's ages ago and the dash has been reworked. The whole front actually.

    The three button control is the remote for the IMO computer which keeps me occupied with its 12 pages of relevant information on those longer hauls.

    The mirror extensions were born from necessity. Mirrors would be too far back twhen standing up so my for arms would bang into them all the time. I've angled them out now which looks a bit better and don't really notice them anymore. I was thinking about the HDB guards with mirrors, but I'm wide as it is splitlaning in and out of Oslo every day so I opted against those in the end.

    The GPS RAM mount was ok when just touring asphalt, but with gravel and washboard the whole thing would shake violently and move up 2 inches so I had to go back to a standard U bolt RAM mount on the handlebars.

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  19. Don Coyote

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    You're right, it is a VP45 and i misstated that the tank bag is 15L- it will actually hold 25 with the expansion zipper undone. The design of the bag works very well IMO, staying centered when fully expanded, zipped and full, or even empty, compressing down enough to lay on the faux tank while zooming on the superslab. It has never felt in the way, except when the side pockets are full they will hit the starter or horn with the bars fully turned, best to keep a few small things in them. The map window is nice and big and stood up to a fair amount of use so far.
  20. herrhelmet

    herrhelmet A Serious Man

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    Shows how far behind the posts I am... My bike only changes after something breaks off these days.