The 650 Dakar Thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by underwaterguru, Mar 10, 2009.

  1. Gravel Seeker

    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    Quite the tale :lol3
    My OEM battery died after 6 or so years.SLowly but surely went bad. It just wouldn't charge anymore. A new gel battery was the ticket. Whole new world amp wise and I don't have to worry about acid leaks when dropping it. I wouldn't worry about longer trips as long as your battery is still healthy before departure. I've never heard of a battery suddenly going from good to bad, but I suppose there could've been some sort of physical damage due to metal fatigue for example.
  2. KG6BWS

    KG6BWS Been here awhile

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    They definately can. I had one go bad in my truck one time. Drove around running errands, stopped at my girlfriends house, went to leave and the truck did the same thing his bike did. Everything lit up, it cranked once and went completely dead. Not even the door buzzer would work. Came to find out there was a dead short inside the battery.
  3. BeachGuy

    BeachGuy Alabama & Costa Rica

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    Can happen to anyone, anywhere any time. Try it sometime in the outback of Nicaragua, bitched at the bike till I was red in the face. The whole time it was a 5 day old battery, did the same thing yours did.

    Ride the damn thing and enjoy.
  4. GrizzLee

    GrizzLee RubiKon Adventures

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    Ouch... I had a bad night. Now I feel better.

    Thanks.
  5. GrizzLee

    GrizzLee RubiKon Adventures

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    Some pics of the long walk into a lonely night...
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    A scene no one likes to see. The long ride home with a dead bike in the back of the truck.

    And the recovery ride.... all is well so far...

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    Snoqualmie Falls

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    Old mill known the "Packard Saw Mill" in the TV series known as "Twin Peaks".

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    A forest service road the runs out and into the Alpine Lakes Wilderness. Shortly before I encountered snow and had to turn around.

    We'll see if the battery holds out.
  6. LoJack

    LoJack Long timer

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    Spent the last couple days in Madison and just drove home in a sleet storm. What normally takes three hours took over four and had to stop a few times to clear ice off the headlights and wipers. Good times!

    I think you'll have ok weather here this week, though.

    I've been dreaming up a fat bike lately.:evil
  7. Don Coyote

    Don Coyote Long timer

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    Did you have the Dakar down here with some wierd tank mod? A friend was trying to describe a Dakar he had seen earlier on Saturday that "looked nothing like mine"- sounded like the TT expedition gas tanks or something...
  8. LoJack

    LoJack Long timer

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    No. I came down for an annual double-half birthday party. And to see my gf's 92yo gram.

    That would sound like a TT tank but I don't know of one in town.
  9. Lone Wolf 48

    Lone Wolf 48 Adventurer

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    I have just been through a similar experience with my G650GS. Riding OK and stopped for petrol then did not restart, had to push home. Gave the battery a trickle charge for a couple of days and reconnected it to the bike, all seemed OK, went for about an hour and stopped and restart the engine various times, then went for petrol and did not start all dead apart from a few whirrs and buzzing noises for a short time. Change the battery now all OK. Charging system giving 14.1 volts so back to riding.
  10. euromedic

    euromedic Peter...n00b

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    How old is the bike? How many miles? Could be that the stator went bad. I went through 2 new batteries before realizing that was the culprit of it dying.
  11. Lupin 3rd

    Lupin 3rd Raygun Gothic

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    I contracted the "stupid" virus and killed my battery (Shorai - LiFePO - Lithium Iron whatever...) while trying to start my GS. Should have noticed the kickstand switch out of place and the Oil Temp light not flashing...

    I've had batteries go bad on me before, specifically due to the alternator wires melting on my old Ducati Monster. But since that bike is carb'ed, I've always been able to push start it. No such hope with the GS: even with a low battery I still couldn't push start it! The only solution was to jump start from another battery.

    I don't blame the battery or the technology, it had all worked fine until I messed up. However, if I ever go somewhere really out of the way, I'll make sure and bring an extra battery probably a Sycl (sold by an inmate here). Just 'cause I can't be trusted! :lol3
  12. herrhelmet

    herrhelmet A Serious Man

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    I bring an extra battery when I go on long off-road trips. I've had my original 4.6 Ah for 3 years, but I've removed anything on my bike (including the sidestand switch) that could cause parasitic drain. That's the number one battery killer and most street bikes and a lot of dirt bikes have it somewhere. Heck, even those USB ports cause drain even without an LED indicator. The other killer (as mentioned in a previous post) is bad voltage regulator/low stator output.
    Thats easy to check. Just idle the bike with a multimeter checking voltage (set at 20 volts DC) and watch the voltage rise. Should be 14+ volts.

    Parasitic drain detection is simple but can take a while to check for faults. Here's step-by-step from Wikihow:

    1. Remove the negative side battery cable from the negative battery terminal.

    2. Connect the black wire to the com input on the multimeter and the red wire to the 10A or 20A input on the multimeter. the meter needs to be able to read at least a 2 or 3 amps for this test to work. Connecting the red wire to the mA input on the multimeter won't work and could damage the meter.

    3. Attach a multimeter(set the dial on the multimeter to measure Amps as per multimeters instructions) between the negative cable and the negative battery post.

    4. If the ammeter is reading over 25-50 milliamps, something is using too much battery power.

    5. Go to the fuse panel(s) and remove fuses, one at a time. Pull the main fuses (higher amp ratings)last. Perform the same steps for relays found in the fuse panel. Sometimes relay contacts can fail to release causing a drain. Be sure to observe the ammeter after pulling each fuse or relay.

    6. Watch for the ammeter to drop to acceptable drain. The fuse that reduces the drain is the draw. Consult the owners' manual or service manual to find what circuits are on that fuse.

    7. Check each device (circuit) on that fuse. Stop each lamp, heater, etc. to find the drain.

    8. Repeat steps 1&2 to test your repair. The ammeter will tell you exact numbers.
  13. Seventh

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    Hi folks,

    It's been a while, and yes, the GS is still dead. But enough of that for the moment - just wanted to share something nice. I had a trip planned for last weekend, and a friend went out of his way to make sure it happened. That's me on the local dealers' demo unit. :clap

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    Awesome to ride again! Hope I didn't offend anyone with the depressingly downward series of videos. All it took was a little highway time and some twisties to sort out the meh.

    Thanks guys for helping people get back in their saddles - appreciate it :beer
  14. Baams

    Baams n00bs FTW

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    Hi quick question, can the OEM shock be repaired or do i need to sell my liver to get a Öhlins before i have the money?
  15. nomad5326

    nomad5326 Xventurous

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    Pressure washed my bike after a very muddy ride and now have two things on the blink that were perfectly fine beforehand:

    Tail light is out (both brake and running).
    Oil Temp/Warmer light is on (was working perfectly and oil is moving when I run it).

    Thoughts before I have to delve into a new bulb and oil temp sensor?

    Yeah, I know your not supposed to pressure wash, but I just couldn't get up in there to get out all the darn mud!
  16. Fly Molo

    Fly Molo Crazy Sniffable

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    This came up recently over at the Chain Gang. I guess the short answer is yes, but the shock needs some modification.
  17. TobyG

    TobyG be happy :)

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    Sooooo,
    I checked Valve clearences today.

    Inlet: 0.05 and 0.15

    Exhaust: 0.26 and 0.25 (the 0.25 one, that is with using a lot of force and a good amount of imagination, it's more 0.24 than 0.25)

    (as a reminder: specs for inlet valves are 0.03 to 0.11, exhaust ones are 0.25 to 0.33

    So, should I only change the shim of the 0.15 one or should I also change any others, especially regarding the 0.25ish one?
  18. tomatoe333

    tomatoe333 Long timer

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    I'd change the shims on both exhaust valves to be on the wide end of the clearance range while you're in there. They'll only get tighter as you put more miles on the bike. I'm wondering why the intakes are so far off, maybe some carbon on the seat of one of them? In any case, the intakes won't wear down the valve seats the way the exhaust side will, so anywhere in the spec is probably okay.
  19. TobyG

    TobyG be happy :)

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    Sounds good to me, thanks.


    I have no idea why their are off by that much, I've just been riding that bike for ~ 9000 km. I will go and check wether there is any carbon on any of them tomorrow.
  20. grumpyoldbstrd

    grumpyoldbstrd Been here awhile

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    The bike: 2005 Dakar with 260,000 kms (had it since new).

    Averaging 50,000 kms out of the OEM water pump kit, however the last one only got 8,000 kms. I think the shaft bush in the cover plate is now knackered. The impeller shaft gears have also been replaced.

    I’m getting sick of the original system (and its inherent faults) and thinking of installing a Davies Graig electric water pump (the 9001 kit). Flow rate = 15 litres/min @ 10 kPa. Max current = 1.3A. Operating voltage = 9V DC to 15V DC. Weight = 245 grams, hose size = 19mm. Overall size = 97mm x 85mm. Motor = 12V brushless. Operating temp = -40 to 120 degrees C.

    My questions: Has anyone else done this? If so, how did you mount the pump? Can the pump simply be mounted in line? How did you plug the existing hole in the side case for the impeller shaft? Will it be OK to wire it up so that it activates with ignition? Will the flow rate be adequate?

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers,
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