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Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.
Seriously - who doesn't like German food...crazy talk, I say.
What's new? Where does this animal live?
What's this riddle DasM? what article? A link please? I bet you're enjoying this, aren't you?
BMW confirms launch of new R 1250 GS at Intermot
Saw that the other day, a BMW communication refered to the next generation GS as the new R1200GS!
Here ya go, from the horses mouth:
> " Extra time has been announced for the summer! The two major international trade fair highlights INTERMOT and EICMA will first keep autumn and winter waiting. This year too, BMW Motorrad will again be giving all motorcycle fans some great treats. The launch will be made at INTERMOT in Cologne: On 3–7 October BMW Motorrad will be celebrating the world premiere of the new R 1200 GS. Together with Husqvarna Motorcycles, BMW Motorrad will be presenting additional highlights from the sports, enduro, touring, and urban adventure world for a powerful impression at their new trade fair stand."
I already see one thing I don't like about the new watercooled R1200GS.
The fixed the problem with the smaller bag on the left to make the right bag smaller....
Why no underseat exhaust for 2 full-size bags?
No more rear main seal leaks but with the possibility of leaking waterpumps...
The only really interesting questions remaining !
-how much hp ? (my guess 130+ since new KTM and MS have close to 150)
-where is the clutch ? (looks like in front of the engine a la CX 500)
-is it reliable from day one ?
In 2 weeks we know the answers (at least the first 2) and be bored again until the new electric boxers come in 2032...
Exciting times for BMW lovers for sure...
Will be a diesel boxer before the electric one.
Because the wheel at full travel will occupy the same space as the pipes, yes you can do it A la 950 but does are more side pipes than under seat pipes..
BMW Motorrad press conference at INTERMOT 2012. Announcement of BMW R 1200 GS successor model world premiere
Until further notice I'm still calling it the "Bubble Boxer"
I would hope it puts out 130 horses at a minimum, as the only point to messing with a good thing would be to keep up with the brits, and italians.
as for the h2o pump, well I hope they use a different one then they are using in the K bikes. Those a failing right and left. I'm gonna take my chances with the old faithful air cooled GSA until the Bubble Boxer proves its worth, as I'll take reliability over speed any day.
I'm sure they could put the exhaust under the seat and would still have full wheel travel for 2 full size bags...(but maybe not as you pointed out Ricardo)
My guess 130-135hp will be the figure to except to keep up with the MS1200 and 1190 KTM out nxt spring also.
I will gladly trade some topend hp for the clean shaft.
Chains are for bicycles or dirtbikes...
As for the heavy Triumph 1200 Explorer the current camhead is already as fast due to lighter weight...
The new GS will ready have no competition except for a guy who doesn't mind chaindrive and high maintenance bills and always stay on-road in form of the MS1200...
What do you guys think why is there soo much space in front of the cylinders?
My bet the clutch is in front of the crank a la Honda CX or ST...(which would not be a bad thing)
A diesel boxer ?Maybe if they are stupid enough to start another war (iran) and bring the price to $1000 a barrel...:huh
Let's hope not !
In 14 days it's christmas...
Yes I forgot that stateside diesel is only used in big trucks and stuff. It's very different in Europe though where a lot of the high performance cars are diesel. Nothing wrong with having 350 bhp and still get over 40 mpg especially when we are paying about 8-9 bucks a gallon.
Go here and then to post #37 to see how it actually looks/works (supposedly) - http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288681
Wet clutch, cases split vertically, cylinders are now part of the crank case, engine & tranny use the same oil etc.
At least the leaking tranny input and CS rear seals will be a thing of the past!
One strange thing about that pic, though, is that it seems to have a set of gears AND a chain up front that appear to be driving the same shaft - which would be a serious problem, since they would be trying to drive the shaft in two directions at once!. Also, the starter motor looks like it's INSIDE the tranny. Probably totally bogus, but who knows...
I'm writing from experience..
Crank is on the back and is a wet clutch. Transmission is in the case instead of in a separate case.
The media announcement actually just refers to it as the "BMW R 1200 GS successor model" -- no mention of displacement or model name. Here's the link.
Bearing in mind that it is an artist's rendering so won't be totally dimensionally accurate, I think the forward chain turns the shaft that the cam chains run off of, and the forward gear is on a shaft running through the crank that is keyed to the clutch in the back, and drives the gear on a transmission shaft on the front ! :eek1 Does that make any sense at all?
Marki here in the states we pay almost 5 bucks for premium or diesel...
A lot of VW TDI's here...
Ricardo I remember your bike but it was a short suspended R1100S...
I know the pictures and wet clutch but still don't know how many hp and if the clutch sits in front of the engine or on top of the tranny?!
In 14 days we'll know...
Can't wait,exiting times for bmw fans !!!
The gears up front run the counterbalance shaft and the chain drive up front runs the cam countershaft, along the same axis, just as they do in the present design. The alternator IMO will be internal and up front of the engine. The clutch is on the aft of the crankshaft, operating at crankshaft speed, thus can be smaller than say the clutch pack of a K bike.
Sounds good like the first engine drawings in MOTORRAD thought.
I just wonder what is behind the way-out front cover ?
The clutch maybe if MOTORRAD was wrong...