The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. sleepyOwl

    sleepyOwl Long timer

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    I'm liking it also!

    Sounds like its been "optimised" from the blurb :D
  2. oz97tj

    oz97tj Been here awhile

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    Meh. I'm not really impressed. I have a feeling the actual riding impressions will likely be greater than the numbers suggest, but based on the numbers alone I can't say I'm impressed.

    Also, Anakee 3 tires? They don't look like they'd channel water away at all. I wonder if those are real tires or pre-production things not to be used by the public?
  3. stege

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    Looks great!
  4. Graemsay

    Graemsay Been here awhile

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    I quite like the look of the new GS, but am waiting to see if an R or S model follows next year. Not really too many surprises, though I thought that power output might be up slightly more than it is. No news on fuel economy yet though.

    Hell for Leather seem to be obsessing over the 9 kg / 20 lbs gain. Bear in mind that the quoted weight for a GS is in the poverty spec, with no goodies, whereas the new bike comes with ABS as standard, and I think that a fair chunk of it could be accounted for here. The Honda Combined ABS system added 10 kg / 22 lbs to a CBR 600, though I believe newer systems are lighter.

    Even so, an old thread says Motorcyclist magazine weighed a GS at 247 kg / 544 lbs. There's a thread at Ash on Bikes that corroborates this figure (242 kg / 533 lbs is mentioned).

    Our very own insider, Das Matti, claimed the weight was unchanged. If BMW are being more honest about how heavy the bikes are then that might explain the apparent discrepancy.

    Besides, given the frequency that Hell for Leather's contributors seem to have big offs, I doubt that they could ride well enough to notice. :evil
  5. sebastianp

    sebastianp Been here awhile

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    The weight difference is less than 5%. Besides, you don't ride the spec sheet, perhaps whatever weight difference is shifted lower in the bike.

    Do the pictures indicate the clutch is serviceable from the front without having to split the bike in half?
  6. Moronic

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    Looks dorky but I bet it's a winner for BMW, provided there aren't too many new-model glitches.

    It is a step towards the Multistrada/Triumph Explorer concept, with wider rubber, a bit more power and a higher rev ceiling.

    Elecronic cruise and full LED lighting will be very handy. The motor will likely be quieter. The on-road handling and braking will be better and the bike will feel more secure in turns. One hundred and twenty five horsepower is more than enough and the torque output now matches the Multi's.

    Off the tarmac, we'll see. Can't imagine more weight (if it is more), vulnerable radiators, more grunt or wider rubber will help a lot there. Although there IS 8mm more ground clearance! :deal

    Wonder how big the fuel tank is? They are saving that up. And as said, the fuel efficiency.
  7. Dorsicano

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    fuel tank is 20 litres, of which 4 litres reserve.
  8. luca9277

    luca9277 Been here awhile

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  9. Moronic

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    Really? Damn! Hoped they'd give us 24 and match the new KTM.
  10. Dorsicano

    Dorsicano Adventurer

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    Engine
    Type Air/liquid-cooled four stroke flat twin engine, double overhead camshaft, one balance shaft
    Bore x stroke 101 mm x 73 mm
    Capacity 1,170 cc
    Rated output 92 kW (125 hp) at 7,750 rpm
    Max. torque 125 Nm at 6,500 rpm
    Compression ratio 12.5 : 1
    Mixture control / engine management Electronic intake pipe injection / BMS-K+ digital engine management with electromotive throttle actuator
    Emission control Closed-loop 3-way catalytic converter, emission standard EU-3

    Performance / fuel consumption
    Maximum speed over 200 km/h
    Fuel consumption per 100 km at constant 90 km/h 4,1 l
    Fuel consumption per 100 km at constant 120 km/h 5,5 l
    Fuel type Unleaded super, octane number 95 (RON)
    Electrical system
    Alternator three-phase alternator 580 W (nominal power)
    Battery 12 V / 11,8 Ah, maintenance-free

    Power transmission
    Clutch oil lubricated clutch, hydraulically operated
    Gearbox Constant mesh 6-speed gearbox with helical gear teeth
    Drive Shaft drive
    Chassis / brakes
    Frame Two-section frame, front- and bolted on rear frame, load-bearing engine
    Front wheel location / suspension BMW Motorrad Telelever; stanchion diameter 37 mm, central spring strut

    Rear wheel location / suspension Cast aluminium single-sided swing arm with BMW Motorrad Paralever; WAD strut (travel-related damping), spring pre-load hydraulically adjustable (continuously variable) at handwheel, rebound damping adjustable at handwheel

    Suspension travel front / rear 190 mm / 200 mm
    Wheelbase 1.507 mm
    Castor 99.6 mm
    Steering head angle 64.5°
    Wheels Cast aluminium wheels
    Rim, front 3,00 x 19"
    Rim, rear 4,50 x 17"
    Tyres, front 120/70 R 19
    Tyres, rear 170/60 R 17
    Brake, front Dual disc brake, floating brake discs, diameter 305 mm, 4-piston radial calipers
    Brake, rear Single disc brake, diameter 276 mm, double-piston floating caliper

    ABS BMW Motorrad Integral ABS (part-integral), can be switched off
    Dimensions / weights
    Length 2.210 mm
    Width (incl. mirrors) 953 mm
    Height (excl. mirrors) 1.450 mm
    Seat height, unladen weight 850 / 870 mm (low seat* 820 / 840 mm, lowered suspension* 790 / 810 mm) *OE

    Inner leg curve, unladen weight 1870 / 1910 mm (low seat* 1820/1860 mm, lowered suspension* 1770 / 1810 mm) *OE
    Unladen weight, road ready, fully fuelled 1) 238 kg
    Dry weight
    Permitted total weight 450 kg
    Payload (with standard equipment) 212 kg
    Usable tank volume 20 l
    Reserve approx. 4 l

    Technical data relate to the unladen weight (DIN)
    1) According to Directive 93/93/EEC with all fluids, fuelled to at least 90% of usable fuel tank
  11. Dorsicano

    Dorsicano Adventurer

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    I too will wait for the Adventure
  12. Dorsicano

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  13. Moronic

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    The new bike is live on BMW's International website, which is struggling ... :lol3

    Dorsicano, thanks for posting the specs.
  14. Stub deToe

    Stub deToe Stub deToe

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    Just chatted with Chris Pfeiffer at the show, he has been riding it a fair bit, the best feature he says is the narrowness of the bike and the TBs being moved on top out of the way gives lots of room for the legs to move around. Moving the shaft to the left side has also eliminated any residual driveline pull to one side for some reason. LED lights are an option. Weighs about the same as the current GS.
  15. LillaMan

    LillaMan n00b is okay by me.

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    And the new bike...

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  16. luca9277

    luca9277 Been here awhile

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    if the text comes up in italian select English on the top right hand side of the page... much nicer reading ;)
  17. Stkmkt1

    Stkmkt1 Been here awhile

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    Here's a good question. Has the new GS been designed to run on ethanol-laced fuel. Since Germany is now beginning to endorced such foolishness, I would expect the Germans to build a bike that can handle at least 10% ratio.
  18. Moronic

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    Nice tech piece of the new engine design here at moto.it - Google translate does a good job.

    Tidbits:

    - the water cooling adds 2.7kg (about 6 lbs)

    - it contributes only 35 per cent of the overall cooling (up from 22 per cent for the oil cooling)

    - compression up half a point

    - each cylinder cast with its vertically split crankcase half

    - crankshaft is stiffer

    - crankpins are closer together

    - hence cylinders offset less

    - vertical intake path facilitates equal-length intake ducts, which helps with throttle sync

    - valve overlap is reduced, as Ducati has done on the Multistrada (cf the 1198), which should mean more low-rev grunt.

    - intake and exhaust valves get their own camshafts (rather than half and half as before)

    - which opens the way for variable valve timing on THE NEXT GS :lol3

    (Thanks to inmate luca9277 for posting the link in another thread.)
  19. Dirt Diver

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    The list of accesories is interesting

    Here
  20. shizzle

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    Apparently no info on pricing yet, wonder how that will turn out. The Configurator still seems to be the old GS, if I'm not mistaken.

    Looks quite decent imo.