The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. Sock Monkey

    Sock Monkey 99% bullshitter...the other 1% is just lies

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    Just curious MB, what is your current ride? :ear

    Also, re. the warranty, my original question was if the BMW factory offered an extended warranty or if BMW dealers just offered a 3rd party warranty. The answer seems to be 3rd party only, which gives both the warranty company and factory a lot of opportunity to "wiggle out" of claims. With all the new tech in the GS, I think there might be a lot of interested buyers....in 2015. :lol3

    -SM
  2. stubmw

    stubmw some what aloof

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    Well........Then. :lol3

    I think it perfectly reasonable to question if the added cost/complexity of a new technology is worth the added benefit, if any, it may have. Are LED headlights really that much better to justify all the extra crap. :dunno
  3. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    Well, I guess yes.
    Halogen and incandescent lights in general generate way to much energy loss and not enough light output. I see so many cars on the road with single low-beam, often no break lights working at all...having said that I still recall the first generation HID (the latest and greatest back then) on the 7 series BMW and how expensive they were to replace. Ouch!
  4. Beemerlover

    Beemerlover Been here awhile

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    He probably uses it to make himself feel superior and special - he's neither. :D
  5. sbrownn

    sbrownn SlowMo

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    Maybe you just got a lemon. Everyone builds one now and then and they shouldn't be confused with a beta.
  6. rattis

    rattis Long timer

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    Technophobia or neoluddism, check out Wikipedia, one who embraces neoluddism is by definition a luddite(?)
    Whatever, I just wrote my dealer to get on the list and I have also, and this was the tough part, informed my SO :lol3
  7. Emperor Norton

    Emperor Norton Kilroy was here

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    If that was the case my local dealer didn't mention it. Only X-tended warranty I was offered was via 3rd party.
  8. Marki_GSA

    Marki_GSA Long timer

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    It's a warranty that you can only buy from BMW but it's underwritten externally as in it isn't an extended manufacturers warranty but more an insurance. The bad thing about them is that all repairs and servicing must be carried out by a dealer where the manufacturers warranty you can get servicing done by any shop so long as it is to the book and genuine parts. This is the case in the EU anyway NA might be different. Not everything is covered either and there tends to be a lot of get outs.
  9. Beemerlover

    Beemerlover Been here awhile

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    I've never heard about it if they do/did. There was some guy that kept a record of all the expenses he incurred putting 100,000 miles on one and it equalled a little more than the price of the bike when he bought it new. He didn't include fuel or scheduled services in the total either. I'll see if I can find the blog & post a link.

    If they do offer a 100k warranty, it would have to be uber pricey or extremely limited.
  10. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    Noticed on the International BMW Motorrad site (not USA) 3 different equipment variants.
    - Touring
    - Dynamik
    - Offroad
  11. genka

    genka SUV hater

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    They have the numbers wrong- according to them, regular halogen lights are the most efficient, which is false. Currently LEDs provide the most light per watt of consumed power. Just compare LED, CFL and halogen lights in your local hardware store. One optimist in Vendors rates his 20W light at 3600lm, making it 180lm/W :)
    However LEDs are much more sensitive to heat, and must be cooled. On one of the pictures of the BMW light assembly a massive ribbed heatsink can be seen on the bottom. It is possible that the fan doesn't draw an outside air, it simply circulates the air inside the assembly to transfer some heat to the front glass.
  12. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Yes, then we can avoid all the threads about people complaining their halogen bulbs burned out and they broke the spring clip trying to replace it. You have to admit, anything's an improvement on that!
  13. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Yeap and it showed up on the US website for one day, but seems now to be gone. Typically option packages are different in the U.S. from Europe and elsewhere, so we'll see. I'll take mine loaded!
  14. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Thanks for the explanation. :clap
  15. vtbob

    vtbob wanderer

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    Interesting info on the gear ratios. Clearly the result of the more powerful engine characteristics.
    Tie this to the fatter tire profile both front and rear....seems to me this new GS is being tailored more toward paved road riding than any of the earlier versions.

    This probable smart as most GS buyer ride pavement ...and 125 hp vs 115 has little benefit in the dirt.
  16. mkletecka

    mkletecka Been here awhile

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    Amen Brother!!!!!!!! However, BMW needed to address the masses (80% of the riders who want/but never use the HP they already have, but need more HP for bragging rights at the local hangout). IMHO, the only benefit of the WC's increased HP is for 6th gear "roll-on" 70/80 to 120MPH "straight line" momentary blasts on the wide open freeway, which the masses typically love to do and equate to "speed". But they wont be able to use that added power on canyon roads or in the dirt
  17. oalvarez

    oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin

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    mkletecka, why do yo say such (highlighted in bold)?

    regards,
  18. Midnullarbor

    Midnullarbor Been here awhile

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    Have there been any reports giving scientific assessment of the actual performance of the different types of new headlights?

    LED lights are currently very new and very trendy.
    They certainly seem a good idea as auxiliary lights or day running lights ~ though as DRL's they might be the better for being slightly yellow-tinged.
    For those sorts of applications they seem good value, despite the automotive LED technology being in its primitive infancy.

    Remember when HID's first came in : all the trendiness [and high costs] and hype suggesting that they were so much better than the old simple [and cheap] Quartz Halogen bulbs?

    And still the un-trendy, un-fan-cooled, un-ballast-boxed QH lights are performing well.
    Yes, a 35 watt HID bulb puts out twice the number of lumens than a typical QH high beam ~ but a bi-xenon HID bulb is struggling [thanks to its shielding and reflector design] to outperform a good QH in real-life performance terms i.e. in how much light is projected forward in a useful pattern in the middle distance where you need it.

    The LED headlights put out a lot of lumens per watt of electricity . . . but how much illumination performance on high beam do they provide? It would be nice to know.
    Once we see objective evidence of performance, then we can set that against their various other pro's and con's, and make a reasoned decision on whether to buy or not.
    No agonising for fashionistas, of course . . . they will buy LED's as soon as available.
  19. cug

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    Could be the definition of "canyon road". Or "twisty" for that matter. What people here (and on Youtube) often think as "twisty" is for me a plain joke. I wouldn't even characterize those roads as "curvy" or "not straight" ... :lol3

    Everything where I can ride faster on a GS than on a WR250X is not twisty ... :deal

    But that might just be me.
  20. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    You sure about that? How many posts are there on ADV about burned out QH bulbs and broken spring clips? But hey the good thing is the LEDs are optional so you don't have to get them....so your concerns about being trendy are solved! :D