The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    Noticed on the International BMW Motorrad site (not USA) 3 different equipment variants.
    - Touring
    - Dynamik
    - Offroad
  2. genka

    genka SUV hater

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    They have the numbers wrong- according to them, regular halogen lights are the most efficient, which is false. Currently LEDs provide the most light per watt of consumed power. Just compare LED, CFL and halogen lights in your local hardware store. One optimist in Vendors rates his 20W light at 3600lm, making it 180lm/W :)
    However LEDs are much more sensitive to heat, and must be cooled. On one of the pictures of the BMW light assembly a massive ribbed heatsink can be seen on the bottom. It is possible that the fan doesn't draw an outside air, it simply circulates the air inside the assembly to transfer some heat to the front glass.
  3. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Yes, then we can avoid all the threads about people complaining their halogen bulbs burned out and they broke the spring clip trying to replace it. You have to admit, anything's an improvement on that!
  4. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Yeap and it showed up on the US website for one day, but seems now to be gone. Typically option packages are different in the U.S. from Europe and elsewhere, so we'll see. I'll take mine loaded!
  5. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Thanks for the explanation. :clap
  6. vtbob

    vtbob wanderer

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    Interesting info on the gear ratios. Clearly the result of the more powerful engine characteristics.
    Tie this to the fatter tire profile both front and rear....seems to me this new GS is being tailored more toward paved road riding than any of the earlier versions.

    This probable smart as most GS buyer ride pavement ...and 125 hp vs 115 has little benefit in the dirt.
  7. mkletecka

    mkletecka Been here awhile

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    Amen Brother!!!!!!!! However, BMW needed to address the masses (80% of the riders who want/but never use the HP they already have, but need more HP for bragging rights at the local hangout). IMHO, the only benefit of the WC's increased HP is for 6th gear "roll-on" 70/80 to 120MPH "straight line" momentary blasts on the wide open freeway, which the masses typically love to do and equate to "speed". But they wont be able to use that added power on canyon roads or in the dirt
  8. oalvarez

    oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin

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    mkletecka, why do yo say such (highlighted in bold)?

    regards,
  9. Midnullarbor

    Midnullarbor Been here awhile

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    Have there been any reports giving scientific assessment of the actual performance of the different types of new headlights?

    LED lights are currently very new and very trendy.
    They certainly seem a good idea as auxiliary lights or day running lights ~ though as DRL's they might be the better for being slightly yellow-tinged.
    For those sorts of applications they seem good value, despite the automotive LED technology being in its primitive infancy.

    Remember when HID's first came in : all the trendiness [and high costs] and hype suggesting that they were so much better than the old simple [and cheap] Quartz Halogen bulbs?

    And still the un-trendy, un-fan-cooled, un-ballast-boxed QH lights are performing well.
    Yes, a 35 watt HID bulb puts out twice the number of lumens than a typical QH high beam ~ but a bi-xenon HID bulb is struggling [thanks to its shielding and reflector design] to outperform a good QH in real-life performance terms i.e. in how much light is projected forward in a useful pattern in the middle distance where you need it.

    The LED headlights put out a lot of lumens per watt of electricity . . . but how much illumination performance on high beam do they provide? It would be nice to know.
    Once we see objective evidence of performance, then we can set that against their various other pro's and con's, and make a reasoned decision on whether to buy or not.
    No agonising for fashionistas, of course . . . they will buy LED's as soon as available.
  10. cug

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    Could be the definition of "canyon road". Or "twisty" for that matter. What people here (and on Youtube) often think as "twisty" is for me a plain joke. I wouldn't even characterize those roads as "curvy" or "not straight" ... :lol3

    Everything where I can ride faster on a GS than on a WR250X is not twisty ... :deal

    But that might just be me.
  11. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    You sure about that? How many posts are there on ADV about burned out QH bulbs and broken spring clips? But hey the good thing is the LEDs are optional so you don't have to get them....so your concerns about being trendy are solved! :D
  12. Midnullarbor

    Midnullarbor Been here awhile

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    Yep, EJ-92606, I am talking about QH headlights' performance ~ that is, how well they illuminate the road.

    The question of how long a QH bulb lasts, is of course relevant and important.
    For most bikes on the road, a QH bulb should last 400 - 800 hours or so.
    That's quite a helluva lot of miles . . . shall we say 10,000 to 40,000 riding miles, before you have to dig into your pocket for a $5 ~ $10 replacement? (Assuming you haven't troubled to carry a spare bulb in your kit.)

    Now, we have all heard of a certain unnamed twin-cylindered bike which can sometimes manage to blow QH bulbs in surprisingly short order.
    Perhaps I am being unjust, but I tend to blame that bike's designers for the short bulb life (rather than blame the bulbs themselves) ~ somehow, by some means of electro-trickery, they have managed to sabotage the normal bulb life expectancy.

    Now again, if they can sabotage the humble and simple QH bulb . . . can we trust them not to sabotage the "normally expected to be far longer" life expectancy of a diode-circuitry or HID-ballast-box ?
    I am hopeful . . . but I am uncertain whether the fan on the LED headlight is a sign of careful design or of a worrying weakness. [And how reliable is the fan itself?]

    Personally, I would like to have a headlight system with hybrid QH + LED elements, with enough redundancy so that I can keep riding at fair touring speed, even when one component has expired.
    Maybe you call that "reliability" or maybe you call that "resilience" . . . when you are far from the nearest corner store.
  13. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    They got ya covered...standard halogen lights, with LED running light option should fit the bill nicely for you!
  14. herrdirektor

    herrdirektor Been here awhile

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    Hi,
    I say 2014 will be the year of the GSA, since BMW has made changes in their production/quality lines. They will be capable pull it off to release, pretty sure about that. My dealer thinks 2014 too, and he visits Germany often enough. Time will tell.

    Just as I was thinking that my previous R1200GSA (2008) was just about the fugliest bike BMW could ever think of, they came out with the design of this new WC boxer. Bravo, bravo ! It is so ugly, it blots out the sun, thus increasing the adventure experience too. Only thing for me left is to wait for an even uglier ADV version, and yours truly will return to the realm of the GS world. For now I'm by far too happy with my totally different animal, the K1300S. (My R80 1992 boxer does take part in this or any discussion).

    Opening my oversize bag of popcorn, and awaiting the developments.

    :D
  15. Marki_GSA

    Marki_GSA Been here awhile

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    Apparently BMW announced yesterday that the GSA will be shown at next year's show. I haven't tracked down the announcement yet, will post it when I do.
  16. genka

    genka SUV hater

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    In infancy on a consumer market. In commercial application, where the labor costs and downtime come into play LEDs have been in use for quite a while. Semis have had LED tail lights for decades. LED traffic lights, flashing emergency lightbars are at least 10 years old. All newer city buses here in Baltimore have LED headlights, and many of the old ones have been upgraded. LEDs have a proven reliability record.
    Having said this, I'm afraid to think what BMW will charge for a replacement LED headlight assembly. I won't be surprised if no components, even front glass or fan will be available separately.
  17. khale

    khale ride dirty

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    I'm sorry, but I don't recall any replacement part being cheap on a BMW. Why would anyone be surprised if it was expensive. I messed up my left side panel and to replace it as an unpainted side panel was fuckin $350. So the rule of thumb is, buy an expensive bike and have fun, just don't break anything.
  18. herrdirektor

    herrdirektor Been here awhile

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    I told (you all) so........
    :D
  19. dmac57

    dmac57 Long timer

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    Links or it's urban legend.


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  20. RetrogradE

    RetrogradE Banned

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    Fellas,

    For two days after this bike was released (last week), it's like I had taken rhino horn--I was hard as a rock for this bike and would've paid the king's ransom to have it.

    But, the excitement has worn off.

    I love BMW and have for years. I've owned 1150 / 1200 GSAs and loved them. I'm a little tired of BMW progressing their tech to the point of over-complication. My 1150 was cake to work on. The 1200 was harder because of CANBUS but still not a big deal. But I fear this new bike is going to be $20k plus the sexy options that I want and that's just too damned much.

    At this point, I'm thinking a used 1200GSA or finding a used Tiger Explore or Tenere. The Tiger has a wet clutch, triple cyl, etc.

    Anyway, not that any of you care. . .