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Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.
Why was it harder because of CANbus?
Base price for the base model will be less than 18k is my guess. 2012 Ducati multistrada is $16995 and that's the direct competitor in the luxury market.
BMW has stated the base price will be the same or less than previous model, however, they may throw the cost of ABS into that number since it is now standard, not sure. So it should be quite a bit less than $18k in the US at least. So somewhere between $15,500 and $16,500 perhaps? But there are tons of options and you know they ain't gonna be cheap, so fully loaded ya, over $20,000.
This is really no different than replacement parts in the auto industry
it's always cost more to assemble a vehicle from parts, than to buy it outright. That said, I think the issue here will become, just how deeply BMW will part out the sub-assembly for the headlight module. If they don't break it down, it will cause headache, but not necessarily an insurmountable problem, given the power of the Internet for research and procurement.
When I wanted to add some electronics (such as hard-wiring a GPS), I could just tap into the fuse box on the 1150.
My 800GS and 1200GSA had to have relays, etc.
I'm not saying the CANBUS is a deal-breaker, just that it's more complicated.
Right, that's exactly my point.
$15,500 is doable. Even a grand more, sure. I don't finance anything so the lower outlay of cash the better.
The problem is: I want it all. LED, cruise, etc. No ESA, so I guess "not all."
But you add the LED, cruise, panniers, and then a few signature farks to make it your own? Then tax-title-doc fee-license-insurance?
Sheeeiit, it's too damned much.
Then you compare it to a private party 2nd hand bike and all of a sudden you can afford to wait 5 years for the "new" model.
We can guess what the price is until we are blue in the face. When it arrives and if you really want the bike, you'll get it. I pay cash for all my goods as well. If it exceeds 20k for base model, I'll buy it 2nd hand in 2014. I'm still perfectly content with my 2005 GS, but looking at all the specs on this new girl has me pumped.
In reading through the .pdf that BMW released, I noticed what may amount to a significant change to engine longevity. The main crankshaft bearings have been reduced in diameter by 5 mm, and the connecting rods have had their width shaved at the crank. All of this adds up to higher stresses on the bearings, which leads to greater wear in a given timeframe. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out against the current boxer engine.
That's a non-issue. Sure there is no fuse box on Can Bus bikes, but plenty easy to wire accessories. BMW even provides an accessory plug for GPS wiring.
They have been making small bearing cranks for years without there being issues. In the same specs you will see the crank is made of different material. It's all in the name of lower friction better fuel economy. Lower friction to me says lower wear. In a perfect world the crank should never touch the bearing. Large bearings are from the days of poor oil and pumps. Will you be able to use the old 20w50 dino juice? Probably not. Wait this is going to turn into a which oil now :-(
It's quite funny really, there are two distinct camps. One who wants things to stay just the way they are with no advancements. Just leave it in the past and they will be happy. The other camp that want all the new stuff and the benefits it brings. First there was the I don't want electronic ignition, points are where it's at. Then there was I don't want fuel injection and now it's woh eth me they have gone and made an electronic headlamp!
CAN bus never has and never will stop you putting anything on your bike. It's a data network similar to say your Internet connection. Would you blame your Internet connection when something in your house screws up? It's the ZF unit that stops you messing about. Simple enough to bypass with your own fuse box off the battery should you wish.
Everyone just relax about CANbus. It's a fine system.
Yeah. If they make the 14 GSA in matte purple with chartreuse accents, a neon-yellow frame and a huge, leaky plastic tank (12 gal. or so), that'll be just perfect!!
People do, and especially people here will. No doubt about that. None at all. They will blame BMW if their shit looks different after having a test ride on the new GS. People are stupid. It's mainly a matter of HOW stupid and in what topic whether you can endure them or not.
FWIW, don't forget to consider that the flywheel, pressure plate and clutch no longer hang off the back of the crankshaft.
Wow! Pretty self-righteous aren't you?
If "people are stupid" then I guess you're including yourself in that group too, huh?
Of course I do. I do stupid things all day long. But I generally try to do less of them and I try not to blame others first and myself last.
If you have worked with people in general, you will likely have learned that as soon as you put two people together you have reached critical mass for idiotic discussion and behavior. Pretty much doesn't matter what two two people you chose, there will be situations or topics where they behave like idiots. One person alone is often better, but in modern times the second guy is always there "on the net".
From experience I'm an absolute cynic in terms of how stupid humans in general (and myself in particular) can be and I'm totally with Einstein on this: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and Im not sure about thuniverse!"
Omg. This bike has been picked to death already. How bout this: when it shows up at your dealer, just go ride the dang thing. It's going to be effing awesome.
That's what I figured ... I'll certainly give it a try and there is an about 50% chance I'll get a 2014 or so.
materials and oils are better now, so bearings can be narrower. Also with liquid cooling, they can put in tighter clearances because of less temperature extremes, lighter oil can be used, which will make more efficiency.
I do not think this will be a worry.
I'm going to put another 30k miles on my '11 GSA and let the dust settle. There needs to be a gearhead smiley btw. :jose