The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Yeap, competition in this segment is more than ever. Prices announced in other countries are basically the same as the old GS with ABS thrown in.
  2. dmac57

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    :lol3 :rofl :rofl :poser :poser :jack :oscar

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  3. khale

    khale ride dirty

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    Better? Not sure where I pulled 'absorbent' from, maybe I meant 'obscene'
  4. NoVa Rider

    NoVa Rider Long timer

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    exorbitant. . .. :clap
  5. khale

    khale ride dirty

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    There it is. :D
  6. mtbenson

    mtbenson Been here awhile

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    Not totally wrong. It could absorb all the money from your checking account.
  7. RichBMW

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    How much lighter are cast compared to cross spoked? Will the road handling be the same, or are cast wheels better for "spirited riding"?:lol3 I won't be doing much off road, but figured it'll be better to have the right wheels for the job IF I venture off road. Thoughts????
  8. EJ_92606

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    I don't know the weight delta...on the old GS front was identical and rear was just slightly lighter for the cast. I can't recall where I read the specs on the new alloy wheels but they are quite a bit lighter, but I think the spoked wheels are as well. Probably not enough difference to notice though.
  9. Marki_GSA

    Marki_GSA Been here awhile

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    If your not going off road and you don't have to have the spoked wheel look then get the cast wheels. I wouldn't say they will be miles better on the road but they are easier to look after and won't go out of true like spokes will.
  10. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    Spoked wheels very desirable IMO. Never know when you're going to peg something.
  11. RichBMW

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    Although the chances off going off road aren't that high, I still want the cross spokes on the off chance. Wouldn't want to be restricted should my riding mates decide to venture down some tracks:lol3
  12. EJ_92606

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    Cast wheels are fine for casual off road.
  13. Moronic

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    This comment from a Brit bike journo on the Guzzi Stelvio launch I thought interesting.

    The latest Stelvio comes in two versions in Europe, one with spoked wheels (NTX) and one with cast (8V), and they had both on the launch:

    "Swapping between the two and riding through mountain roads it's the 1200 8V version that I wanted to stay on. It's the keener of the two bikes and much easier to throw around. Admittedly it's not carrying an extra 22kg of extras around with it but it's the wheels that make the biggest difference.

    "Although the 1200 8V's alloy wheels and the NTX's spoked wheels weigh the same amount, the NTX's carry most of their weight on the rim and this inertia makes a big difference when it comes to cornering. It's not that the NTX is bad at turning on its side, it's just the 1200 8V just feels so much better."

    (Quotes from 2012 Stelvio piece at visordown.)

    Can't say whether the same applies to the GS wheels, but it may well do.
  14. RichBMW

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    That's interesting, as I will be predominantly riding on road. I may have to give this a little more thought.
  15. oalvarez

    oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin

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    So, is the journo saying that the Stelvio's cast and spoke wheels weigh the same but that the lighter of the two motorcycles (8v) is the easier to maneuver/flick around? No surprise if so. Or is he talking about the construction of each wheel and how the weight is distributed amongst them (hub, spokes, rim versus one cast piece)?
  16. Moronic

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    The latter.

    He is acknowledging the NTX carries more weight, but attributes most of the steering difference to the wheel construction, with the cast wheels carrying a lower proportion of their mass at the perimeter.

    So, the gyroscope effect was less pronounced on the cast wheel, he believed. This made for lighter steering, which he greatly preferred on twisting tarmac prevalent at the launch.
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    Whew! Good on ya for being a good sport!
  18. EJ_92606

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    And the Stelvio licenses the spoked wheel patent from BMW, so the construction is similar. Another factor to consider aside from rotating mass is stiffness...the spoked wheels are stronger offroad because they have some flex...which I would think would be a negative for paved twisties.
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    Someone keeps reading my mind :rofl
  20. RichBMW

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    Another good point. I've never noticed any handling issues on my current GS, and that has spokes, so am sure I'll never ride to the bikes limits. As long as they are priced similar to the current spoked wheels, and the bike is priced sensibly, I'll go cross spoke, otherwise my decision will be made for me.:lol3