The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. cug

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    Hmmmm:

    irony 1 |ˈīrənē, ˈiərnē|
    noun ( pl. ironies )
    the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect

    sarcasm |ˈsärˌkazəm|
    noun
    the use of irony to mock or convey contempt


    As my intention was irony, not mockery, I think you must have misunderstood me due to unknown reasons or my poor english has lead you to misunderstand. And the above tells me that I was at least attempting irony, not sarcasm ... whether you understood this or not ... whatever.
  2. paulhdick

    paulhdick Wannabe Adventurer

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    It is the optional plug to activate the "Enduro Pro" mode. It allows the owner to save selected throttle response, power delivery, ABS modes, ASC, and I think even an optonal cruise control mode, so they can be selcted later for different riding conditions. It is already available on BMW's passenger cars.
  3. oalvarez

    oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin

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    Just back from the Long Beach IMS and was absolutely wowed by the new GS. From a design and technological perspective they seem to have nailed it; the motor may be water cooled but all else remains pure BMW GS. I rode my GS to the show to have a good feel for the ergos and new attributes. Like others have said, the bike appeared sleeker, less wide (probably a function of the smaller windscreen), and a little roomier in the leg/knee area. The seat height felt the same and I couldn't feel any real discernible weight diff (maybe a bit heavier?) when righting it off the side stand. The knob to change the windscreen height is a nice touch.

    I'll add some pics in a bit.

    My decision making has become more difficult. It all boils down to keeping what is almost perfectly refined or trying what is new and improved in certain areas.

    Congrats BMW :clap
  4. cug

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    I'm fairly certain that I want one come next year November ... For now, not so. I'm waiting for a test ride before I order something, also, wife's next bike is due, not mine ... :norton
  5. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Just back from the show as well...Love the new GS...it's everything I thought it would be and more. I've spent so much time looking at pictures, I felt like I knew every inch of the bike. The materials felt higher in quality than I expected and the radiators that look massive in pictures are nicely tucked in. The windshield seems higher than the previous stock shield. A BMW rep again confirmed the LED being approved by DOT. There is no info. on pricing. I can't wait to test ride one. :clap
  6. Midnullarbor

    Midnullarbor Been here awhile

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    Any mention yet of objective performance of the LED lights?

    I mention that, because LED lights tend to have a poor projection pattern, with too much light spilling out a very wide angle onto road & objects very close [actually uselessly close for riding purposes] to the bike.
    This reduces the effectiveness of the illumination of the distant road ~ but yet giving the psychological impression of greater overall brightness.
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  7. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    I'm sure it will suck :evil

    Key was not in bike so no way to see the light or the dash display, although in a bright show hall, it wouldn't tell you much. From those that saw the light demoed prior to the start of the show, I heard it described as very bright, for what that's worth. RE: LED lights, I have one on my mt bike and do a lot of night riding with it and its every bit as good as a 4x pricier HID light that was generally regarded as the best bike light a few years ago. I have no doubt though that there are poorly made LEDs out there with improperly designed reflectors that provide poor illumination, the same as with HIDs used with the wrong type of reflector.
  8. RichBMW

    RichBMW Long timer

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    I have no doubt that it will perform very well. BMW has spent so much time on this new feature, I'm confident they will hit the nail on the head:clap
  9. Midnullarbor

    Midnullarbor Been here awhile

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    For the LED lights, the twin side-by-side projector lenses look good . . . but overall projection efficiency still may not be all that wonderful.

    But the proof of the pudding is in the photometric reports from the engineers . . . and I hope we won't be waiting too long for that.

    Some of the "best" car add-on driving lights have 90 watts of LED output, but still have rather ho-hum efficacy, once you check what they actually deliver at 300 feet distance.
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  10. vtbob

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    You are correct with almost all of the LED after market lights/aux lights on the market today.

    LEDs are more of a point source of light than halogen, etc so the traditional reflector system does not work well at all for the. LEDs need sophisticated lens design in front of them to focus/manage the light correctly.

    Most aftermarket people just buy the LED chip assembly, stick it in a more or less traditional housing/reflector and sell it.
    A couple have added some poorly design cheapo lens to help a bit. they can get away with this because < at least in the US, there is essentially no law enforcement of aux light beam pattens. Head lights have clear beam pattern defiitnition to be legal...so the car and motorcycle manufactures must pay close attention

    I don't know of any one in the motorcycle industry that has properly design an LED head light system. Looking at the pictures of the new GS, it may be the first....just don't know yet. I hope bmw gets it right


    sooner or later some LED aux light producer will take the time and spend the design money to get the aux light beam patterns up to snuff....and make the LED light much better than they are now.
  11. Marki_GSA

    Marki_GSA Long timer

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    Don't confuse spot/fog lights with a proper led headlight. In Europe anyway the lights will have to focus the same as any other headlight. I imagine the same is true in the states since they have just been approved. By the looks of the low beam light the led is attached to the bar in front and shining backwards onto the reflector that will focus it. The high beam has several led sources that look like mini projectors. Maybe these focus onto different places to fill the road better?
  12. vtbob

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    Yep, firing the LED back into a properly define reflector make sense too....the key is to properly desing the LED lens/reflector to make the most of the quite different characteristics of LEDs vs the various incandescent light source.
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    6USMC6 Long timer

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    Surefire - makes flashlights that produce in excess of 800 Lumens and they project well enough to identify a man in camouflage at 500 meters - and more. They are rugged enough to withstand the recoil of any automatic weapon made - M2, M240, 25MM canon, etc. The reflectors are designed and set at the factory and are pre-focused. The technology is there.

    I recently purchased a set of the new PIAA LED driving Lights and they are both bright and illuminate fairly well. They could be better however. The LED is mounted on a cross bar and is directed into the reflector.
  14. Marki_GSA

    Marki_GSA Long timer

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    Absolutely, there are definitely good LED products out there but unfortunately there are a lot of bad ones too. There is also a lot of cheap ones out there where although the LED is actually quite reliable with a really good output the current regulator is absolute junk and they just don't last very long. You can get a single 3000 lumen Cree for about 5 bucks, it's the regulator that costs the money.
  15. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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  16. EJ_92606

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    Awesome...loving the sound and the two rectangular exhaust outlets! :clap
  17. VerdiBaritone

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    just after Thanksgiving.

    It was parked among a few other bikes and scooters. November 27th, about 10PM. I could probably look at a map and figure out the address.

    I did a double-take when I saw it. The spork was the giveaway.
    I didnt think to take a picture with my phone.

    Maybe I missed something earlier in the hundreds of pages of posts, but I was very surprised to see at as I did not think they were on the streets yet, even in Europe.
  18. marchyman

    marchyman DR and GS

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    Does anyone know where the accessory socket lives on the GS LC? I looked for one on the bike at the San Mateo show but didn't see it.
  19. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    There is one up near the windshield adjustment knob.
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    No picture? But not surprising they would have some test mules out on the road. Was it disguised at all? Rumor is that the WC GS has been tested for one million kilometers...so there are definitely bikes out there.