The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. mkletecka

    mkletecka Been here awhile

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    Ah, speculation of the new WC ! What’s interesting from the brief review of the new “WC” is that, “German engineers on hand in South Africa were quick to say that the measuring stick used for the new R1200GS was, in fact, the old one. Simply because they felt it was already the best adventure-touring bike available.”

    Well, I’m now in the market for another GS (had to sell my mine more than a year ago) which, puts me in the perfect storm to get the “tried & proven” AC version or new WC, and that can only be decided by “me” test riding both and not based on some journalists opinion/ride report.

    Anyway, my final decision will not be based on cost, but rather the aggregate/sum total of the overall differences between the two (one thing for sure, is that the increased power of the new WC doesn’t interest me, because the 2009 and above AC’s have plenty of “real world” power for my wants and needs).
  2. khale

    khale ride dirty

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    The bike is going to run, and very well at that. Bought new, the bike will be covered by a 3 year warranty. Any factory recalls will be taken care of.
    mkletecka - this isn't directed at you, but just a general question to naysayers. Why is everyone so cautious about the new 2013 WC GS? It's going to be a fuckin ruckus bike.
  3. Rauven

    Rauven I like the cold...

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    At least I noticed one upside of buying the bike in Norway (despite the ridiculous price) the law requires 5 years of warranty, so I have a nice, warm, safe feeling about any possible problems.
  4. mkletecka

    mkletecka Been here awhile

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    In general I don't think that people are generally "naysayers" of the new WC . Its just that the 2009 to current version is so good, so capable, (even BMW engineers say that) and because of that, how much better can the new WC be? Thats the question.

    Yes, the new WC might be better looking and have more power, but will it have "good" power delivery, ride and handle "better" than the previous version. As for me (that's in me, myself and I), I'm open to the new WC and may get one, however if its just going to be increased HP/better looks, I'll probably get the previous version.
  5. Motard_Menace

    Motard_Menace Been here awhile

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    I'm not sure why people make such an issue or feel the need to comment on buying a "new" version of anything is stupid. If you don't want to buy a new version then don't, why the need to post about it and bag on others who want the new bike. Maybe to make you feel good about owning the older version I guess. Sure could there be some growing pains with a new model, of course as with anything but you can get a lemon regardless of the year and as someone pointed out, it comes with a 3 year warranty so if after 3 years its not sorted then most likely it never will be and you should part ways maybe. I am pretty sure that BMW, Yamaha, Triumph, Ducati or whoever tests the bikes vigorously before bringing them to market and when you are BMW bringing your marquee bike to market after a full refresh it would behoove you to make sure it is a good product. Thats my 2 cents anyway....I think the bike looks better then the previous generation, (Obviously a subjective thought) offers more bang for the buck with cruise, adjustable screen, dynamic suspension etc.... and I predict it will be an excellent motorcycle that gets good reviews overall.
  6. kktos

    kktos on a bright side of life

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    boys, any news when the Adventure version will be out ?
  7. mtbenson

    mtbenson Been here awhile

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    I've been riding nothing but BMWs on the street for close to 30 years and haven't bought a new one yet. I prefer to get them 2-3 years old, after someone else has taken the depreciation hit. I've only owned one that had any warranty left on it, but I've never had issues on any of them that would have been covered under warranty if I had bought new. My current 2007 1200GS is the only BMW that's had any recalls during my ownership, and they were either covered when the previous owner had it or when I've been into the dealer for service. I'll probably move up to a (used) waterboxer in another 3 years or so...unless I'm seduced by the KTM 1190 Adventure.
  8. dutch440cid

    dutch440cid Degrees Minutes

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    My favorite thing about the 2010 and newer double overhead cam engines was the Valve angle, which is almost vertical and the radial configuration. Borrowed from the HP2 Sport, The 11 degree angle and radial placement gives you the largest valve area possible. This allows the most airflow, efficiency and power. You feel the power increase in the low end and mid range torque. MV Agusta uses radial heads on the F4 and has gotten more power out of an otherwise stock GSXR1000 engine. Let's hope the new Engine gives us even more neat new stuff. :ear
  9. ridewv

    ridewv Been here awhile

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    I'm sure the new water cooled engine is nice. What peaks my interest is the longer swingarm, improved FD from the 1600, all new Japanese transmission and wet clutch.
  10. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    If you guys ae not going to call it a "WetHead", at least spell out "Water Cooled" insead of calling it a"WC". A WC is a water closet, or toilet room.:deal

    Besides, are not MOST bikes water cooled? :dunno

    Jim :brow
  11. GB

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    I'm not seeing an FD from the K1600. the K1600 final drive has no open hole in the middle like the one on the GS.

    The French video a few posts back says the transmission is smooth "like on a Japanese bike"...

    Getrag no longer provides the tranny?
  12. erkmania

    erkmania Last of the red hot left pipers

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    I read elsewhere that Getrag is out of the motorcycle transmission business. The new boxes are apparently made in Japan. Equally interesting is that the clutch may be the same as one in a KTM (I think - hearsay disclaimer).
  13. Gros Buck

    Gros Buck Beef = Packed Vegetables

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    As far as I know KTM uses Adler clutches ... http://www.adler.it/

    Paul Jr
  14. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Not sure about KTM but it is the same clutch as is used in the S1000RR. And I heard the same thing about Japanese transmission...made by the same company that makes Honda transmissions.
  15. GB

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    that's good... Did they also get the driveshaft / final drive designed in Japan like Triumph did? :lol3
  16. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    I think possibly one year after the GS intro?
  17. stretchmoney

    stretchmoney Been here awhile

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    I thought all the BMW boxer bikes used a diaphragm spring car style clutch, I would be sure the S1000rr uses a typical "motorcycle style clutch".
    Start correcting me now.
  18. erkmania

    erkmania Last of the red hot left pipers

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    What, you have on objection to transmissions designed on Pluto? :norton :D
  19. erkmania

    erkmania Last of the red hot left pipers

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    You're absolutely correct, but only for a few minutes longer. The March release of the WC-R-GS changes that. :deal
  20. JustKip

    JustKip Long timer

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    Dammit Jim!
    That's gonna leave a lasting mark...As an international indicator of a toilet room, I hope "WC" don't stick as a moniker for the new boxer.