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Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.
First lay down, perhaps? Ouch! Hope the bike was ok!
Which Ducati? Multistrada?
I read that article, yes, Multistrada. The Italian's seem to be building better motorcycles these days, what's happening?
haha, well they sourced the clutch from Japan ;-).....well good to hear the new GS will have a proven clutch. I also heard that the S1000RR uses this same clutch and it has held up well.
good to know, EJ....i'm also close to the folks at my local dealer, so i may have an in there as well.....one of those four (4) bikes arriving will most likely become a demo based on what i was told (each dealer will most likely have to appoint one of the bikes as such)......but yes, #3 on the list right behind yourself....good stuff.
Fixin, the Diavel is one Ducati i have not owned nor ridden, but I do know that you enjoy yours very much. that 1190 ADV is going to be an incredible motorcycle me thinks....real good in fact.
You are right ... Cars have electronics that's, at least for some models, reasonably reliable. Just a matter of part selection ... They solved many problems in the 80s when they started to use grease and sealed connectors. But if you have ABS on your car, chances are that it does not work anymore at 100K miles ... Sensor this, sensor that, bla bla bla. And when you see the $1500 repair quote, you just tell yourself WTF ??? And leave it as is and live without it. And realise how useless that very expensive electronic was.
But there are variables to be considered here: volume. It's one thing to still have problems with a car produced at a pace of 1 million a year, It's another with a bike produced at a pace of few thousands yearly.
Besides fuel injection, I do not see any real benefit that electronics have brought to a 1200GS in the last decade. It brought just problems.
More power. Lower emissions. I am sure that we will soon get a silly political rant over someone's denial of climate change and their lack of concern for the plane t's environment but for most normal people in most nations lower emissions would be the responsible thing to do.
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Just took a break from burning truck tires in my yard to check this thread...
My 10 year old Corolla, with 138k miles has been flawless, with the exception of light bulbs and the AC clutch. I don't baby the car at all, and have driven it places that would embarrass half of the guys in the "Let's see your GS off road" thread. I use 100% of the 134 horsepower every day and change the oil every 6-8,000 miles weather it needs it or not
"Sensor"? What's that?
Climate change bahhhh joking.
Yes fuel injection and electronic ignition is what actually made vehicles reliable over the long term. Sure points are cheap but they screw up all the time and it won't start. FI has brought back drivability that you could never get with the same power/tune. The last GS's to have carbs had about half the power. To say electronics on a bike is of no benefit is just ridiculous.
Why would one need ABS on their car, it already has 4 wheels
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some would see ESA as a benefit, many owners out there love it. then you have the improved computers within the dashboards (one could argue that the fuel gauge isn't all that wonderful), LED lights, tire pressure monitors.....i'd call those benefits in my book.
In the Porsche world I was recently reminded of how poor the day to day drivability was of the 1969-era Porsche 911's. Today's cars must have something like triple the horsepower and your trophy wife can drive them to go shopping. Or drive them down to the yacht club when she meets with her young boyfriend
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While I wasn't around in the 60's I can't imagine the bikes of the 60's and 70's being reliable enough to trek thousands of miles at a time. Hey, maybe they were...I am still all for the electronic stuff on a bike....sure, my TPM might blow someday but it isn't going to let me sit. And if my uber expensive to repair ESA dies, well, it still isn't something to let me stranded.
At the end of the day, if these things are too expensive or too glitchy for you to entertain thoughts of having on a motorcycle, then don't buy them or don't stray off the super-slab highway. Reality is, you better get used to technology and just embrace the inevitability.....or slink into the cracks of old curmudgeon-ness.
That has to be the worst English I've ever read. I gave up after the second paragraph
Same. It's gobbledygook
Where were your cars designed and built?
Not by BMW in Europe, I guess. I have more miles than that on my bike, with no problems what so ever.
The bike, by the way, was designed and built by BMW in Europe..
ABS not lasting more than 100K miles - ignorant or stupid.
Odd, my 2000 328i had over 120,000 miles on the odometer when I sold it. ABS system never had an issue. The only real problem was the @#$@#$ window lifts which thankfully I don't have to worry about on a motorcycle, unless they use one for the RTs screen.
Funny you should mention that. That's where the myth of BMW reliability started. A /2 built in the 60s could easily do 50 - 100K miles. That wasn't true of most of the british and japanese bikes of the time where they were often ready for the junk pile at 20K miles.
Today there is no real difference between BMW and any other bike built. All have strengths and weaknesses. All will take you more miles than most will put on the bike before they replace it for something new. Most replacements will be because of "I want" not "I need".
If I like the new bike after a test ride I'll probably order one. Not because I need it. My '05 only has 75K miles on the odo; it is still running strong.
Unless you can back that with real numbers from actual facts and not your gut feeling about electronics I call BS. I have owned several cars with more than 100k miles and never ever had trouble with ABS. One of the most reliable systems I have had in car. Hell, windshield wiper motors were failing more often ...
Again, I think that's not true. Can you point out actual electronic problems you're referring to?
I know about a lot of small and large issues here and there with BMWs and other manufacturers and pretty much all of them are actually mechanical (or chemical (comical?) in the case of the fuel strip).
So, what problems have you seen with the electronic parts of more sophisticated systems?