The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. Bikeaddict

    Bikeaddict Bikeless Due To Recession

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    The way I see it is that where there's a smoke there's a fire. This minor fork issue is definetely an issue since the bike is marketed as an offroad worthy one. And I am no longer convinced that Kevin Ash just went down and got killed. Maybe he was pushing the bike too much, to an extent that most of your average rider wouldn't come close. But reading the comment from Bike mag journo which was posted here I am really looking forward for an oficial explanation from BMW. I am not planning to buy a GS simply because I can't afford it. It looks like an awesome bike but all the hype that's already surrounding it means for me that something's wrong here. And don't forget that we live in a world that huge companies rule, and they rule sometimes ruthlessely. Yeah, many of you might think that who's this guy making such a fuss out of it. Well, I am a rider and not a product and I live in a world where profit and corporate viability is King.
  2. RichBMW

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    Does anyone care to reply to my comment here
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  4. vtbob

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    I am too.

    the water cooling make the Head(valve adjustments) much more temperature stable. the water cooling also takes some of the cooling load off the oil.

    I think the shorter intervals is more about keeping the dealer service $$$ coming in...vs real engineering needs of the bike's mechanicals. when is the last time you had your valves adjusted in you bmw car...or any car for that matter.

    to days oils...evan the dino are much more temperature and break down tolerant. the synthetics last evan longer.

    Most other MC manufacturers seem to be lengthening the intervals....competitive pressure will make BMW do the same too.
  5. JimVonBaden

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    And for me the Telelever is the number two reason why I always prefer the BMW as a road bike. Go figure!

    Jim :brow
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    Fork brace on a telelever?

    Jim :brow
  7. Bikeaddict

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    This is the previous gen GS. So, if this a problem that has been reported repeatedly about the previous 1200gs it would have been reported here. In any case, we are talking about the new one, so what´s the point? It´s a totally different bike. Different motor, chassis, weight distribution, suspension, electronics ...
  8. khale

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    6 years in development and 1 million KM (or miles?) tested for the new GS.
    There's an old saying in tech support, it's called PEBKAC "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair." I'm not ruling out machine error, cause it does happen, but in my experience, inexperienced riding usually causes the error.
    If this was a big enough problem in previous versions of the GS, there would be a mega class action and we wouldn't have a GS anymore.
    Maybe I'm just being completely ignorant to the situation, but I just don't buy into all the hokus pokus surrounding the new GS. Just my 2 cents.
  9. JimVonBaden

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    Rich, that was rider error, not the bike. It was well discussed in that thread.

    Jim :brow
  10. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Comment what?

    My countrymen seem to be pushing the bikes more than they should. If the bike can go 210+ on pavement, doesn't mean you should do that on a rocky desert.
    He probably hit something that made him lose a bit of front stability (you can't just "fly" over ALL the rocks), that you can usually fight by giving gas, impossible if you are already near top speed. Instead he seems to have briefly hit the brakes, which was recipe for destruction.
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    Does anyone actually have a service chart, or is this based on what some mag said? Service intervals of 6 K for oil changes makes sense. We would need to see if it is more like the Camhead in that they check the valves at 6K, then every 12K after. I am not convinced that this isn't the case.

    Jim :brow

    PS On the "tank slapper" situation, has anyone checked to see how the suspensions were set when this happened? Could be innapropriate settings for the riding conditions. :dunno
  12. Velociraptor

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    That is similar to an incident that happened on Diablo dry lake in Baja last spring in that a rider on a big adventure bike went down in a huge cloud of dust in front of me. I managed just barely not to hit him and got everyone behind me stopped. The rider was curled up just like the guy in this video and was aspirating fluids for a short time. Scary stuff. I was wondering if he was dying of a brain injury in front of me. Luckily he made almost a full recovery but still had some double vision problems. He was on a KTM 990 Adventure and I did not see the crash, only the huge explosion of dust. Maybe the new GS has forks that flex too much. Time will tell. But I am wondering if these big heavy bikes are harder to control once they start to get out of shape due to all that mass. People are mentioning rider error and for sure that may have been the case in both the crash in the video and the one in Baja. I guess my point is that on a lighter bike you probably have a better chance of recovering from an error.
  13. NLS

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    Irrelevant.
    Indeed it could be rider error, but 2 or 3 of 20 (?) experienced riders reporting the same is not a good indicator.
    This is not related AT ALL with the current 1200GS (and no there was not such an issue in the current bike), as it has many differences.
    Whatever this is, it is new.
    We all hope to get PROPER explanation and PROPER resolution (if needed).
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    Stanchion Tube brace if you may Sir.

    The two guide tubes when are braced better, people have unanimously stated that the bikes front end response becomes better. I have felt the front end actually feeling a bit vague in one of my high speed rides on a trail. It was a rutted and stoned trail and the front end actually felt a bit vague. But non the less I just gave the bike my full commitment and had full confidence on it and it did brought me out safe and sound and fast. I love it for that. Oh by the way, its a 2011 Triple Black GS with no electronics.
  15. JimVonBaden

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    I know what a fork brace is, but am having trouble picturing where to put it on a Telelever. :dunno

    Jim :brow
  16. NLS

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    It is really really strange how they thin down the tubes when the bike got a bit heavier and with a bit stiffer frame.
    It's the only thing I don't like with the new bike (and also if the service intervals don't become longer - but this is minor).
    Let see if this becomes a real issue.
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    I do have some questions with your hypothesis. On a german statement I read they were riding in a group with around 10 bikes. Speed around 100kph (an appropriate speed for the road, not asphalt).
    So he surely wasn't pushing it.

    Anyways, I am not worried, I will never push it offroad.

    However I also wonder what caused the crash.
  18. Marki_GSA

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    Why does something have to be worse because it is smaller or thinner? The alloy could be a different composition allowing it to be stiffer but smaller. I doubt thinner forks would cause a tank slap anyway off road. You could feel it on a high speed road bend usually as a weave. Tank slappers are normally down to geometry or suspension, on occasion I have seen tyres do it on sensitive bikes.
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    Now, you've just offended the majority big bike members here who ride the behemoths offroad to compensate :)


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    i am #3 on my dealer's list, right behind EJ in fact......and as of this moment, i will most likely refrain from purchasing the new GS given recent developments (unless there is a resolve of sorts in the near future). i do think that there is a possibility of bias/group think/spillover effect, but the statistics are worrisome (3 out 20 riders reporting the same). could it have been the preload/damping setting on each of the bikes? i'm not sure as i'm not an off-road rider,0 but i do know that a poorly suspended bike could cause such head shakes even on a paved asphalt surface. is the new GS a poorly suspended motorcycle? i don't think so, the components are of high quality, they should not be the root of the cause. the tires, tire pressure? maybe, but you'd think that they might correct for such if so. as others have said, the bike is of new design, specifically the forks (geometry?), frame, chassis, and even wheel size, those make more sense to me as to being a potential culprit of the problem. having said that, how could the head shakes present themselves this late in the game? :confused