The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. Moronic

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    Thank you for the translation, igorpetrovich, and welcome to the forum.

    "dakarian" - I like that!

    But we can answer his question for him, for we have the other reports above, among them one from Kevin Duke of motorcycle.com who recounts some fearful sbachettata arising at the apparently un-dakarian pace of 45mph (75kmh).

    There is also the Bike UK reporter, who does not give the speed at which a tankslapper broke his steering stops but who hypothesises that he may "just happen to have stumbled on exactly the wrong combination of speed and road surface at the wrong time", and that the incident therefore was a one-off.

    Add it up and we can say so far ...

    To Bike, no, not a one-off incident.

    To Motociclismo: no, not only at arguably inappropriate speeds.

    To all three: yes, it is starting to look like a bit of a problem with the bike.

    And to canadamotoguide.com, whose reporter experienced something similar but opined that "It isn’t alarming": well, it has been alarming for some. :yikes
  2. RichBMW

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    So has nobody EVER had a tankslapper whilst riding the current 12GS off road? I seem to remember a post only last week of a guy riding across the desert on a GSA and wrecking the bike.:deal

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  3. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    1) I think we shouldn't overreact but we should definitely take note. I think that a few of the "reviews" are actually recycled and in reality it sums to 2-3 independent reports about the vibration-up-to-slapping issue off-road. This is still a lot though. I REALLY hope they find what it is and explain (AND RESOLVE). This bike doesn't more bad publicity. I mean for the 6 years that I own the big GS, half people tell me how great bike this is, few argue about it being air cooled (which was never a real problem) and MANY are concerned about build issues (I had none actually, except the front suspension loosing oil in an off-road session, where I managed to live with it for a week - bless telelever - with "normal" riding until the replacement came - under warranty of course). I definitely will postpone a purchase (not that I COULD make an early one anyway), until this thing clears a bit.
    I am afraid the thinner forks DO have much to do with the issue. Something VERY DIFFICULT to change right now!
    Quote me, I believe GS will return to previous fork diameter by the time they release the Adventure version.

    2) I remember now why I was not active in the forum for years. I cannot... not notice how some very old "untouchable" members acted in relation to Kevin's death and how it relates to the bike's "fault". If this is a subject to make jokes, I don't get it. Anyway, I should have ignored this I guess like everybody else.

    3) Has anybody got MCN's mag review?
  4. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Some indirect news. Here is the tire that most 2013 GS will have installed from the factory:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPU7VL55oSE

    It is very on-road biased (like 90/10), but it might be of interest to some (like to me :D) that within the year they will also make a new version called "Anakee Wild", already homologated for GS, that will be more off-road biased than Anakee III. Let see where this is positioned in the range, because for big GS we have many 90/10, 85/15 and 20/80 tires, but nothing closer to 60/40 (like maybe Metzeler Enduro 3) that some of us may need and is available for the dimensions of smaller GSes.
  5. Paulvt1

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    Surprised that the service intervals are still the same.
  6. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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    I'm not. I suspect it has more to do with oil changes than anything else.
  7. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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  8. IB1

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    I also suspect it has something to do with the dealers (it does make the dealers more money to see you sooner).
  9. RichBMW

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    I'm hoping these are the tyres that mine will come with:deal

    Got it in one:lol3
  10. Bikeaddict

    Bikeaddict Bikeless Due To Recession

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    The way I see it is that where there's a smoke there's a fire. This minor fork issue is definetely an issue since the bike is marketed as an offroad worthy one. And I am no longer convinced that Kevin Ash just went down and got killed. Maybe he was pushing the bike too much, to an extent that most of your average rider wouldn't come close. But reading the comment from Bike mag journo which was posted here I am really looking forward for an oficial explanation from BMW. I am not planning to buy a GS simply because I can't afford it. It looks like an awesome bike but all the hype that's already surrounding it means for me that something's wrong here. And don't forget that we live in a world that huge companies rule, and they rule sometimes ruthlessely. Yeah, many of you might think that who's this guy making such a fuss out of it. Well, I am a rider and not a product and I live in a world where profit and corporate viability is King.
  11. RichBMW

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    Does anyone care to reply to my comment here
  12. Voluhzia

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  13. vtbob

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    I am too.

    the water cooling make the Head(valve adjustments) much more temperature stable. the water cooling also takes some of the cooling load off the oil.

    I think the shorter intervals is more about keeping the dealer service $$$ coming in...vs real engineering needs of the bike's mechanicals. when is the last time you had your valves adjusted in you bmw car...or any car for that matter.

    to days oils...evan the dino are much more temperature and break down tolerant. the synthetics last evan longer.

    Most other MC manufacturers seem to be lengthening the intervals....competitive pressure will make BMW do the same too.
  14. JimVonBaden

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    And for me the Telelever is the number two reason why I always prefer the BMW as a road bike. Go figure!

    Jim :brow
  15. JimVonBaden

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    Fork brace on a telelever?

    Jim :brow
  16. Bikeaddict

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    This is the previous gen GS. So, if this a problem that has been reported repeatedly about the previous 1200gs it would have been reported here. In any case, we are talking about the new one, so what´s the point? It´s a totally different bike. Different motor, chassis, weight distribution, suspension, electronics ...
  17. khale

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    6 years in development and 1 million KM (or miles?) tested for the new GS.
    There's an old saying in tech support, it's called PEBKAC "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair." I'm not ruling out machine error, cause it does happen, but in my experience, inexperienced riding usually causes the error.
    If this was a big enough problem in previous versions of the GS, there would be a mega class action and we wouldn't have a GS anymore.
    Maybe I'm just being completely ignorant to the situation, but I just don't buy into all the hokus pokus surrounding the new GS. Just my 2 cents.
  18. JimVonBaden

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    Rich, that was rider error, not the bike. It was well discussed in that thread.

    Jim :brow
  19. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Comment what?

    My countrymen seem to be pushing the bikes more than they should. If the bike can go 210+ on pavement, doesn't mean you should do that on a rocky desert.
    He probably hit something that made him lose a bit of front stability (you can't just "fly" over ALL the rocks), that you can usually fight by giving gas, impossible if you are already near top speed. Instead he seems to have briefly hit the brakes, which was recipe for destruction.
  20. JimVonBaden

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    Does anyone actually have a service chart, or is this based on what some mag said? Service intervals of 6 K for oil changes makes sense. We would need to see if it is more like the Camhead in that they check the valves at 6K, then every 12K after. I am not convinced that this isn't the case.

    Jim :brow

    PS On the "tank slapper" situation, has anyone checked to see how the suspensions were set when this happened? Could be innapropriate settings for the riding conditions. :dunno