The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. oz97tj

    oz97tj Been here awhile

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    As far as I know, at least here in the states, everyone who "ordered" a bike long ago did nothing more than make that agreement with their dealer. As of last week, ordering still wasn't available through BMW. This just means those people who "ordered" were put on the waiting list early and then their dealer would be sure the bike they wanted would come in as soon as possible. With that said, according to my dealer all the first bikes are pretty random. I was even told today if I actually ordered, I'd be about 2.5 months out. However, they also stated many of the next bikes coming in will be fully optioned so a order wasn't exactly needed. I put down my $500 to get in line for a bike that fits my requirements, but this isn't ordering. That's still likely 6 weeks out.
  2. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Actually they are better according to tests on other vehicles.

    That is the reason you don't like them.
    (the same reason you would not like 12GS '13 at all if you didn't buy one)

    Have fun with the new bike. :)
  3. Moronic

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    Came across this curious post while perusing an Italian language Multistrada forum. There was a thread from someone who had test-ridden the new GS, which drew this contribution from another poster on what had been holding up GS deliveries. I will quote the relevant bit, in google translation:

    '... only the magazine IN MOTO had the courage to make things clear. "Choosing to use a fork 37 mm (instead of 41) is the source of all evil ... engineers and testers have had to deal with problems of stability of the vehicle, caused by excessive flexibility of the fork ... to solve the problems of handling it was necessary to to make changes "on the run". Specifically, the "evil" of GS is hiding in the area of the top plate of the steering, which the model 2013 is fixed to the fork tube with two aluminum end caps that screw on the rods themselves ... because of the vibrations, you unscrew the fork caps and in the worst case the top plate can be disconnected from the steering fork. In these cases, the pilot no longer has control of the bike ... in Monaco have redesigned the new fork legs, which are mounted and punched in place of those currently present on models already products ... therefore, in contrast to what have wrongly said and written in many, the change is not a "detail", rather it is a complex operation which involves the removal of the Telelever and a delicate punching ... " '

    The material between the double quotes is claimed to be from the magazine article. Bear in mind that this is in translation, and also that the poster appears, from other comments in the post, to be somewhat sceptical with respect to BMW.

    Bear in mind also that the report merely elaborates on what has already been reported and cited in this thread, for example at Motorrad online here.

    Apologies if these details came out earlier - I have not read all recent pages. And of course, the In Moto report (the mag title too is translated - did they mean the Spanish title En Moto?) might not be accurate. If not, doubtless someone here will correct it.

    I can't quite swallow that a 4mm reduction in diameter of the Telelever fork must cause difficulties, as surely they could simply increase wall thickness to maintain stiffness. But perhaps they wanted to avoid the weight penalty. IIRC from the launch material, they cut the diameter so that the fork could clear the radiators.

    It is also far from clear that the "stability" issue during testing alluded to in the report is connected with the "tankslapper" phenomena reported by some journalists at the launch event. I'd expect a tankslapper to arise from too much rigidity, not too little. In contrast, excess flex could easily generate high-speed weaves.
  4. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Thanks for the info.
    Personally (which means nothing to the forum hehehe) I also feel that the fork diameter reduction was a fault (esp. since the bike actually gained weight and CoG was moved a bit in front).
    Of course my "feeling" means null (and should mean null) to expert mechanics in BMW. Yet, there are (strong?) indications that this part needed more thought.

    One of the things that makes me happy I won't be in the first wave at all (we all make excuses :evil).

    So candidates for first facelift:
    - Thicker tubes (again).
    - Color LCD HUD.
    - More work for the GPS wheel (stop being just GPS wheel).
    - +5 HP (because they actually tune it in carrot-donkey fashion, it is all a mapping thing now).
    - ...add your own. :clap
  5. madefrtv

    madefrtv Been here awhile

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    I don't know where you are getting info from, but I was one of those $500 folks and my bike is definitely in production and making its slow progress this way.

    Some dealers may do things differently, YMMV
  6. oz97tj

    oz97tj Been here awhile

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    3 dealers have told me the same thing regarding ordering not being open to the US till this week.

    Regarding "your bike" being in production, where are located? I wonder if "your bike" is nothing more than the same type of deal I did today. I put $500 down on deposit to stand in line for a bike that will be showing up at the dealer all on it's own. Its just coming from dealer stock.
  7. rednose

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    Hi there. Meaning of "IN MOTO" can be translated as "something that moves" or "lets go ride a bike" or "on bike" ... I follow BMW Italians forum too. People there say "between the lines" that the fork reduction is the cause of the tankslapping and someone even pushed the idea that fork reduction -> tankslapping -> Kevin Ash accident ... Also the fork punching fact is not paying in favour of BMW's fork diameter reduction solution ...

    What I personally don't like is this "shadow" - due to mentioned facts - of a motorbike with structural issues. I also suffer in my "old" 2004 model of the (in)famous flange cracks ... It is like BMW, on pursuing weight reduction (!!! >> 220kg :-( ) fails on keep on reliability ...

    Just my .2 cent

    r
  8. 268

    268 Been here awhile

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    Was thinking the same thing as you, and asked him if he really has al these cases in their own stockroom, and he answered : yes of course, well be selling all of them easily in 2013 :huh
    Keep in mind that this dealer is on of the largest in Germany, so it could be true.
  9. paulW

    paulW Been here awhile

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    My dealer says mid April for delivery to BMW Germany, then a week to get to the UK

    He could not give me any info re availability of tinted screens, sorry.
  10. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    When a bike is estimated to sell about 200k in 8 years (which easily translates to 20k first year), I don't think a central dealer in a big country (that is also the manufacturing country of the bike) will have a problem selling 250 cases. :)
  11. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Is there a photo of a new GS with the tinted screen?
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    paulW Been here awhile

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    Not seen one except for the accessories catalogue. Not buying one myself, maybe RichBMW has seen a pic?
  13. Deans BMW

    Deans BMW Granpa Hoon

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    San Jose BMW has many sets of the Vario Cases and the Back Boxs on the shelf at the ready. John has fully stocked accessories for the new Water Boxer.
  14. IB1

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    Mine were ordered with the bike. Still waiting for both (cases and bike).
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    Germany is also the bigest market for BMW motorcycles. wonder why :rofl
  16. RichBMW

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    Just the one you have
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    MID APRIL?:cry
  18. IB1

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    Why do you complain? you allready have your bike. Most of us are still waiting for that call from the dealer to set us free.
  19. MaxReving

    MaxReving Been here awhile

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    This is no attack on your comments but to the article you refer to.

    Oh my God. More fuel to the rumor mill.

    Are there anyone that knows the material thickness of the new fork tubes as well as the specification of the materials used? I don't think so. If these people don't have access to the specifications and details regarding stiffness of the tubes then I just want to say "shut the front door". Is it something you think or is it something you know for a fact? Don't forget that employees from BMW Motorrad's competitors are also writing in all these forums. There are lots of people that wants to put this new 1200GS LC in a bad light because their business will be affected negatively by the success this new GS is going to have. All this with good reason. There is plenty of potential in the adventure market but BMW Motorrad will take the major part of this with the new GS no matter of how many negative rumors people try to spread on the internet.

    Spreading rumors about the reason for the dead of a journalist in South Africa is totally tasteless. Don't you have any shame in life.

    Take a good hard look at the track record. You can find lots of GS's that has been around the world many times. Sure you can also find people that are able to break their GS into pieces. Are these GS bikes durable? Yes. Can you break them? Yes. A really good recipe for disaster is to buy half the Touratech catalog and hang 30 kg of laser cut "protection" junk on your GS and then add the biggest panniers and fill them up with stuff you don't need including 10 kg tool kit and then try to climb a mountain where even a hard core motocross bike will wet it's pants. It will break.

    I guess that less then five percent of the miles/km's ridden on the GS's are off-road. I believe that the people at BMW Motorrad have done a great job when developing the new GS. They have made a bike that focus on the type of riding their customers do. Some GS owners fall outside the focus group (hard core off-road riders) but you can not please everybody all the time.

    A last word to those that are afraid of any recalls or technical issues with a new motorcycle model. Wait. Don't order the new GS and if you already have one on order then cancel it. For the rest of us that are realistic to the fact that this is a new product with limited testing under the belt and probability that there will be issues: Enjoy your new ride.

    Max :-)
  20. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Heh I can understand him.

    When I first got my 2007 (in... erm 2007), when I was running it in (first weekend, two days after delivery - 1000km done in 3 days), I also visited a city 300km away where the best Touratech/Wunderlich importer was based. I got the bits I wanted and actually never added anything else to the bike except in two special occassions (one was when I found some good second hand bits and the other when I wanted to tune it a bit to "refresh" it).
    So I guess (like me) he wants the bike to become "perfect" (by his measure) the soonest possible and before that "something" (arguably small) is missing in the picture.

    Both of you are in better position than those that cannot have the bike yet because they haven't even ordered it (although want it). :)