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Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.
What do you expect from the dutch?
I have the TT guard on my Tiger 800. Although it does project a shadow on to the ground, I dont think it blocks enough light to be a problem. Admittedly, the Tiger does use twin headlights though.
Though it looks like being welded, it is not!
That "sub frame" represents the panniers fastenings which can easily be replaced / added.
That's depending on the package ordered - with or without them. I had the same felling - meaning that's welded - but Saturday I've spent (only) three hours around it in my dealer's showroom and I've been told the above mentioned.
But it doesn't change the fact that the welds look like they have been done by a 6year old :huh
I guess the Touratech engine guards are a good match judging from the pics on their website....
I can see that still nobody has answered my questions; therefore I'm asking you another one: would you buy it / order it without ESA?
Please explain your reply. Just to be frank with you guys, I'm willing to order it without ESA, as:
- I consider the manual adjustment being more suitable / accurate.
- lower replacement cost
My main problem / concern the case I order it without ESA, is the front suspension which ... can not be adjusted ...!
Based on my previous - and good - experience with Wunderlich engine guard, I would go on them.
Hurra for handmade stuff
Ohh my God those weldings don't look nice. They might hold the subframe together but they sure look like someone had a very bad day at the welding factory. Maybe BMW Motorrad has subcontracted the welding but they still have to have some kind of quality control of all the subframes no matter if they made them themselves or if it was made by subcontractors. This for sure does not look like German engineering.
Found the first made in Taiwan sticker :eek1 ... On some of the wiring leading to the headlight.
Currently I'm riding a 2010 R12 GS with a low factory low suspension. The older bikes with low suspension were not available with ESA. As I understand it there is a factory low suspension option however does anyone know if the riding modes and ESA is available on the 2013 low suspension model?
Touratech vs. Holan weldings
And then this one from Holan. Maybe they are not better at welding at Holan but they sure are better at doing an extra effort to make the final result look a lot better than the stuff from Touratech.
Well, you be the judge!
Touratech = German Engineering at its best! Not so much.
Touratech may just have won an award for being best brand from the German magazine "Motorrad" but maybe the big chief Herbert should spend less time posing with awards and more time kicking some ass in the welding department at Touratech.
Took you long enough.
At least is from Taiwan specifically (which is still considered quality manufacturing) not China in general.
I like the Cee Bailey headlight guards. They won't win as many admiring looks outside Starbucks but they give good protection without blocking any light and they pop off in a second for cleaning.
OK I'll answer I bought a base model without ESA, so the front suspension is non - adjustable. I had the previous base model 2010 twin-cam GS and that had pre-load adjustment on the front suspension. I used to occasionally adjust the front pre-load BUT to be honest it made little difference in practice for 'normal' riding - if you were heavily laden off-road then perhaps it was useful but for 90% of the time it remained two stops up from minimum. I suspect that 99% of riders of the base model never changed the front pre-load so BMW thought why include it on the new model - rear pre-preload and damping is far more important and I used to change this all the time.
I am not yet a fan of ESA or dynamic ESA, if you don't do many miles it is probably a nice thing to have, but once the damping goes off after high mileage it is going to cost a fortune to replace - anyone buying a high mileage second hand bike beware, I would say that it would detract from the re-sale value of the bike.
The BMW headlight guard for the 2013 1200GS LC:
Rubber mounts for easy removal.
I agree! While ESA is nice and it works when new, one has to wonder how long before they need to be rebuilt. Seems like I remember there were BMW ESA type suspension in the past that WAS NOT REBUILDABLE!
Think about it. Shocks on ANY motor vehicle are moving a great deal, all of the time the machine is rolling. Truly those moving parts take a BEATING more so than internal engine parts. The internal parts are lubricated by the same oil. Unlike an Engine, shock oil is seldom if ever changed ( these days...not yesteryear) As parts wear...and they WILL, the internal lubricant will become more contaminated. The more contaminated, the faster the wear. Granted it will take time, maybe years. It is not a matter of if, but WHEN! I would prefer a good set of - - - - - ( pick your flavor) ( me...wilburs or Ohlins cause that is what I know.
OTOH, most folks don't keep bikes long enough to worry about this. They seem to gravitate to buying the latest and greatest. It is all good either way.
One thing, the ESA is a great tool for allowing the ride to be premium at all times. Maybe in some ways a great set of Ohlins or Wilburs etc, would be a bit of a compromise when compared to ESA. However when one compares STOCK to Wilbers or Ohlins ... you think you are riding an entirely different M/C
And how much, might I ask, do those run?
thank god someone else went to the eye doctor. welds by a 6th grader is perfect description for the above picts. for some reason they won't let me post attachments but i could raise a few more eyebrows with what i saw in regards to "german quality". welcome to profiteering at it's finest. this is the world we live in now. they won't spend the time to make it properly.
2013 r1200gs lc being "best motorcycle in the world" this quality is unacceptable. the triple black gsa i saw last year which was finished to a very high level is what i expect from bmw. this is not a step up but a step down. just saying what i feel. ya ya ya
yes i know don't buy one if you don't like it.
Seems you are not Kaiser lover any more.
Took the time to closely check some large photos of the new frames.
Ineed there seems to be like a bit excesive use of welding material.
Not bad welding though (I am not an expert, will ask an expert these days, as I happen to know one that does this for a living the last 45 years of his life).
No empty or really rough spots.
Yes maybe they should trim these a bit (like Holan), but is different to make something 200 or 2000 times, and different to do it 200,000 times.
What I am saying, is that the important thing (to be proven by time) is that these things last and don't rust.
I have to say that oilhead GS in some environments and uses HAS shown signs of rust (mostly bolts or where rider boots rub with the frame.
(that said, it hasn't happened to me - bike parks 500m from seaside in an open garage for the last 6 years)
can someone closeup photo the hinge on the sidestand? it is stunning!
listen peace to all but if someone does'nt start talking about this stuff we are all doomed.