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Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.
I've seen better welds on a chinese made bicycle frame. Sad.
Sorry but this is incorrect.
I was also told by my dealer and by a BMW rep at the regional motorcycle show that ESA was not available with the low suspension option.
Reading from the US launch guide:
499 Low Suspension, 31.1/31.9 inches (only w/191 Dynamic ESA, Incl 776) - $250
776 is Low seat, 32.3/33.1 inches, $0
191 is Dynamic ESA (only w/190) - $950
190 is Enduro ASC and Riding modes (only w/191, or packages 234, 237, or 238) - $450
"I was also told by my dealer and by a BMW rep at the regional motorcycle show that ESA was not available with the low suspension option"
It is the opposite
Select a basic R1200GS with NO Pack.
When you select Low Suspension in 'Equipment in Options'
ESA & ASC come automatically in the Bike Configurator
You were told wrong
This was true for the old versions, for the 2013 low suspension is only available with ESA.
Yep. Thanks for quickly pointing that out
Read the forum more often...was discussed long ago
It was discussed. But if I remember correctly it was speculative. And its also a lesson that your dealer and even a company rep get it wrong once in a while. My dealer told me this only several weeks ago.
Ronald Regan once said "Trust. But verify."
I've not noticed particularly bad welds on my bike. Even if they are big, at least the bike won't fall apart
I have a set of panniers from my Explorer and they're same as what'll go on the new GS so I'm only in line for the luggage mounts.
No affiliation with the company. Just a satisfied customer.
been there, done that.....agree wholeheartedly, but for many, the ESA is good enough. i would not prefer a non-ESA suspended GS UNLESS an aftermarket suspension was being considered.
ESA was passive, the new DYNAMIC ESA is semi active, there's a world of difference, no comparison at all.
The ride quality on the GS with D-ESA is just sublime.
Can you share a picture?
After 67,000 trouble free miles and for no good reason I replaced the stock suspension on my 12GS with the Ohlins. What a waste of money and now the Ohlins have been rebuilt after only 17,000 miles. I should have left well enough alone. I could tell a little difference but it certainly wasn't life changing. Other than stock panniers and a tankbag the Ohlins were the only farkle to ever be installed on my GS and I regret it.
My 2001 1150GS had 82,000 miles when I sold it. The stock suspension was fine. I'm about as average build as you can get. 180#'s and 6' tall. When touring I can fit everything I carry in the three stock panniers (maybe 35#'s I've never weighed it).
That said I rode the demo LC a week ago and it's the finest motorcycle I've ever had the pleasure of throwing a leg over. My brother rides a 12 Multi which I thought couldn't be improved upon until I rode the LC. It is sublime.
For anyone who is new to this forum and happens upon this thread. I know after some reading you may get the impression the LC GS is the worst motorcycle ever built and will certainly fall to pieces in under a year. I don't know why there is so much complaining but it is what it is. If you're reading this know that the complaining done here is completely unjustified and done mostly by folks who've only seen pictures of the bike. The same thing was done when the 12GS came out. It was the worst motorcycle ever to roll down tarmac and anyone who bought one was sure rue the day they ever took delivery. My 12GS like the 1150 before it has been the finest bike I've ever owned and absolutely trouble free after a combined 160,000 miles. My 1150 is still out there riding with a new owner.
I don't know why but this forum in particular is the most whining and quibbling bunch for some/no reason. It never fails. Some new technological tour-de-force is released and invariably before it hits the showroom floor it's the worst thing ever built. At the same time a rattle trap KLR650 that's knocking like a Jehovah Witness is god's gift to mankind.
I'm curious what you think of it after you've had a chance to use it for a while. I haven't seen one save the small pictures found on the web that don't show much.
What he said.
Except maybe that this is the worse forum in this regard (whining). I don't agree. I can name you one more well known supposedly dedicated to GS that is far worse.
Also a couple of my local moto fora.
It's funny how GS gives birth to this. I've been in plenty of moto fora (model specific or not) and haven't seen this done for any other brand (and model specifically). It's like they feel the Heavens told some people to save other people from the disaster GS is.
Well some people (about 170k of them last time I checked on the last GS) don't want to be saved.
So you came to the whiners board to whine about the whiners and then you caught the disease yourself and started whining about your Ohlins